Is there a quota for minority ethnic groups in Stafford?

[Hetairoi]

A couple of weeks ago I was criticised for a controversial post on the 'Polish Day In Stafford' thread and was asked to provide proof for my allegations that there is a 'quota' for BAME groups in the Stafford area.

I have left it a couple of weeks to let things cool down a bit but felt I needed to respond to show that they were not groundless accusations.

Have a look at the link below from the West Midlands Stratedic Migration Partnership, sorry it is such a difficult document to read but you should be able to get the general gist of things by reading it.

http://www.wmleadersboard.gov.uk/media/upload/Library/Migration Documents/Home/Strategic Business Plan 2009 - Internal Document.pdf

If the government is really trying to cut costs surely quango's like this should be at the top of the list to be axed!


Admin Edit: Thread title amended.

 

[tek-monkey]

Any chance of a rundown of that doc, 27 pages is a bit much to digest while at work. It appears to be a document outlining how they help immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers? Key points I picked out:

5.3 million people in the West Midlands
3,868 Asylum seekers
76,000 refugees

Then I lost interest. Show me how many 'natives' never work, pump out babies and get everything for free. They are a much bigger drain on us, at least the majority of immigrants come here to work. If the brits would do those jobs, great. They don't though, so we need immigration. I do think there should be a mandatory lodging of money for your plane home when entering the country though, and no benefits til you've paid into the system for 5 years.

 

[Alan B'Stard]

If you have read it, can you tell me where amongst the 27 pages long document does it refer to a qouta for Stafford immigrants?

 

[Hetairoi]

Any chance of a rundown of that doc, 27 pages is a bit much to digest while at work. It appears to be a document outlining how they help immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers? Key points I picked out:

5.3 million people in the West Midlands
3,868 Asylum seekers
76,000 refugees

Then I lost interest. Show me how many 'natives' never work, pump out babies and get everything for free. They are a much bigger drain on us, at least the majority of immigrants come here to work. If the brits would do those jobs, great. They don't though, so we need immigration. I do think there should be a mandatory lodging of money for your plane home when entering the country though, and no benefits til you've paid into the system for 5 years.

It is not the 'natives' fault that they receive so many benefits it is the systems!

At one stage we received so much in benefits that it wasn't worth working however we have both always worked and when we both went back to work we were worse off than on benefits, there is no incentive to work!

 

[Hetairoi]

If you have read it, can you tell me where amongst the 27 pages long document does it refer to a qouta for Stafford immigrants?

Sorry Stafford (or any other geographical area) isn't mentioned specifcally.

 

[tek-monkey]

Of course its not the immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees fault either, its the systems.

You are right though, since we stopped teaching self respect in schools its hardly suprising people can't be bothered to work.
I still fail to see the comparison between this document and an immigrant quota though.

Sorry Stafford (or any other geographical area) isn't mentioned specifcally.

I didn't see a quota at all, what page was it on?

 

[Hetairoi]

Of course its not the immigrants/asylum seekers/refugees fault either, its the systems.

You are right though, since we stopped teaching self respect in schools its hardly suprising people can't be bothered to work.
I still fail to see the comparison between this document and an immigrant quota though.

Sorry Stafford (or any other geographical area) isn't mentioned specifcally.

I didn't see a quota at all, what page was it on?

We agree on something, that's progress!

I agree with you it's not the immigrants/asylum seekers fault at all it the system that allows it and the politicians who promote it.

'quota' is my word not an official term as it would be to politically sensitive, you have to read the whole document and preferably the Regional Dispersal Policy to get the true picture, I summarised it as a 'quota'.

All I can tell you is what I know without giving too much away otherwise I will get the sack.

I have been in meetings where 12% BAME has been suggested as the level that should be aimed for.

 

[Admin]

Hi Hetairoi.

Could you clarify what the thread topic is, please? You have called it "Interesting Reading", but then haven't stated what the document is about or given your opinion on the matter!

Thanks.

 

[tek-monkey]

I still fail to see what this has to do with immigration targets? Just slash the benefits the locals get and ensure those not 'processed' get less than any UK dosser, people will stop coming over.

The main stupidity is housing benefit, most of it goes to private landlords now. Be a lot cheaper to get an agreement with a builder to make housing estates and put these people there, that way the money we shell out for rent would buy a house in 7 years, and the gov will have an asset at the end of it. Hopefully then private rent will come down a bit, and those working may even be able to live closer to their jobs.

 

[Alan B'Stard]

I agree with you it's not the immigrants/asylum seekers fault at all it the system that allows it and the politicians who promote it.

'quota' is my word not an official term as it would be to politically sensitive, you have to read the whole document and preferably the Regional Dispersal Policy to get the true picture, I summarised it as a 'quota'.

All I can tell you is what I know without giving too much away otherwise I will get the sack.

I have been in meetings where 12% BAME has been suggested as the level that should be aimed for.

Figures for BAME. not the Bethel African Methodist Episcopal Church or Brigade Airspace Management Element or even the Brookfield Academy Mini Economy but it is, Black, Asian & Minority Ethnic.

http://www.equalities.gov.uk/PDF/8134-TSO-BAME-FACTSHEET.pdf

If you don't agree with the content of the meetings derived from your employment, perhaps you should look elsewhere?

 

[Alan B'Stard]

If you have read it, can you tell me where amongst the 27 pages long document does it refer to a qouta for Stafford immigrants?

Sorry Stafford (or any other geographical area) isn't mentioned specifcally.

So where is the proof you have claimed to have provided?

 

[Hetairoi]

Hi Hetairoi.

Could you clarify what the thread topic is, please? You have called it "Interesting Reading", but then haven't stated what the document is about or given your opinion on the matter!

Thanks.

I have clarified the original post to explain what what it is about I will have a look in a minute to see if I can make it clearer.

If this isn't the sort of thing you want discussed on this forum please let me know.

 

[Hetairoi]

I still fail to see what this has to do with immigration targets? Just slash the benefits the locals get and ensure those not 'processed' get less than any UK dosser, people will stop coming over.

The main stupidity is housing benefit, most of it goes to private landlords now. Be a lot cheaper to get an agreement with a builder to make housing estates and put these people there, that way the money we shell out for rent would buy a house in 7 years, and the gov will have an asset at the end of it. Hopefully then private rent will come down a bit, and those working may even be able to live closer to their jobs.

One of the worst things Margaret Thatcher did was the 'Right to Buy' scheme which sold off huge numbers of Council houses at very low prices which means, as you say, that most Housing Beneit goes into private hands and not to the local council where it can be 're-used'.

 

[Hetairoi]

If you have read it, can you tell me where amongst the 27 pages long document does it refer to a qouta for Stafford immigrants?

Sorry Stafford (or any other geographical area) isn't mentioned specifcally.

So where is the proof you have claimed to have provided?

That seems clear enough to me, maybe you think I am reading to much into it!

 

[Withnail]

That document refers predominantly to refugees and asylum seekers, not to migrant workers.

To my knowledge, most of our European cousins are here to pick strawberries rather than fleeing oppressive regimes.

I may be wrong.

 

[tek-monkey]

One of the worst things Margaret Thatcher did was the 'Right to Buy' scheme which sold off huge numbers of Council houses at very low prices which means, as you say, that most Housing Beneit goes into private hands and not to the local council where it can be 're-used'.

But its done, nowt we can do now. You can't reposess them, although maybe the banks we now own can give all reposessed houses to the gov for council housing?

 

[Admin]

I have clarified the original post to explain what what it is about I will have a look in a minute to see if I can make it clearer.

Thanks, that makes more sense now. Some of us are too old to remember things that were discussed more than a few days ago, so need a gentle reminder of the topic in hand.

If this isn't the sort of thing you want discussed on this forum please let me know.

No, I didn't mean to imply that this (or any other) topic is unwelcome. Anything that generates discussion (within reason) is fair game!

 

[Withnail]

you have to read the whole document and preferably the Regional Dispersal Policy to get the true picture, I summarised it as a 'quota'.

You see, i don't want to be a hard on about this either - well maybe a semi...

Nowhere in this 27 page document do the words regional + dispersal + policy run concurrently, though they do make individual appearances.

I knew, knew i tell thee, this was going to happen.

Whatever your feelings on either, economic migration and asylum are two entirely separate issues. The numbers quoted in the cited document for the latter attest to its irrelevance.

A Regional Dispersal Policy to ease over-burdening social services in particular areas has indeed been in operation since circa. 2000. Again, the numbers of refugees/asylum seekers are not really that large.

What the bejazzers any of this has to do with Polish folk being given a friendly helping hand to integrate into a community that has traditionally welcomed them still evades me.

 

[John Marwood]

Sorry Stafford (or any other geographical area) isn't mentioned specifcally.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/09/24/how-many-asylum-seekers-in-your-town/

 

[Roland]

Aren't we naughty!