Leave or Remain?

tek-monkey

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I hate to generalise, but the poor voted for this. I don't know anyone that's any more than 20% above nmw that voted out (other than 2 obscenely rich silly billys) but maybe that's part of the problem.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I hate to generalise, but the poor voted for this. I don't know anyone that's any more than 20% above nmw that voted out (other than 2 obscenely rich silly billys) but maybe that's part of the problem.
Generalisations are just that - it is probably generally true - there may be specific instances, in both directions, where it's not, but that doesn't stop it being generally true.
 

andy w

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I hate to generalise, but the poor voted for this. I don't know anyone that's any more than 20% above nmw that voted out (other than 2 obscenely rich silly billys) but maybe that's part of the problem.
I read that voting by social groups A and B were strongly for Remain, C1 evenly split and groups C2, D and E were strongly for Leave. I would imagine the income matches the social groups.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
I read that voting by social groups A and B were strongly for Remain, C1 evenly split and groups C2, D and E were strongly for Leave. I would imagine the income matches the social groups.
Rich people want to stay, poor want to leave. Says to me the rich can see a problem and the poor just don't think it can get worse, as stated elsewhere I say let's wait 6 months them form an opinion.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Rich people want to stay, poor want to leave. Says to me the rich can see a problem and the poor just don't think it can get worse, as stated elsewhere I say let's wait 6 months them form an opinion.
We surely have enough experience of 'austerity' to see that, as things get tight, money is removed from the bottom first.

Things would have to be pretty desperate before they start hurting people further up...
 

Carole

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I hate to generalise, but the poor voted for this. .

Rich people want to stay, poor want to leave.

My view differs to yours based on the people that I know and/or people that I have discussed it with.

In our village, many of the older people voted to leave.

Most of the younger people voted to remain.

After the vote some of the older (60 to 70 age group) had children no longer speaking to them for destroying the future of their grandchildren.

So I don't think it's a rich/poor thing.

I think it's probably a generation thing as well.
 
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shoes

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My view differs to yours based on the people that I know and/or people that I have discussed it with.

In our village, some of the people are quite wealthy.

Most of the older people voted to leave.

Most of the younger people voted to remain.

After the vote some of the older (60 to 70 age group) had children no longer speaking to them for destroying the future of their grandchildren.

So I don't think it's a rich/poor thing.

I think it's probably a generation thing as well.

Well I for one look forward to total demolition of their pensions and healthcare.

Sadly the remain camp will also be subject to the same problems... and I'd rather avoid it all together, but believe me, if we do end up going down the pan, I will be laughing my head off at the old and poor who voted to leave.
 

Gramaisc

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Not my highlighting - always best to read all of it.
 

hop

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Things would have to be pretty desperate before they start hurting people further up...

A large tax grab was made by Osborne in his 2015 Mini budget.

- Changes to dividend taxes resulting in many business owners being worse off. Despite risking their own capital they will have to pay a similar tax rate as an employed person who takes no risks.
- Changes to capital relief allowances when winding up a business - removing a great deal of incentive for a business person to even bother risking their own capital.
- Changes to tax allowances on the wear and tear of rented properties
- A further 3% stamp duty on the purchase of second homes / rentals.


The media likes to portray business people as tax evaders. They fail to understand that in running a business you are risking your own capital and in doing so would expect a greater rewards than an employed person.

If a government chooses to try and punish business owners they will end up with less tax renvenue as the owners seek to move entities to locations with a more pro business outlook.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
A large tax grab was made by Osborne in his 2015 Mini budget.

- Changes to dividend taxes resulting in many business owners being worse off. Despite risking their own capital they will have to pay a similar tax rate as an employed person who takes no risks.
- Changes to capital relief allowances when winding up a business - removing a great deal of incentive for a business person to even bother risking their own capital.
- Changes to tax allowances on the wear and tear of rented properties
- A further 3% stamp duty on the purchase of second homes / rentals.


The media likes to portray business people as tax evaders. They fail to understand that in running a business you are risking your own capital and in doing so would expect a greater rewards than an employed person.

If a government chooses to try and punish business owners they will end up with less tax renvenue as the owners seek to move entities to locations with a more pro business outlook.

All I ask is a level playing field, its currently obscured by starbucks et al. Honest UK businesses get tarred by their brush, I guess everyone should be allowed to pay a rights fee to a caymen islands firm to reduce their liabilities. PAYE stops it for most though.
 
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