Leave or Remain?

tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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If we don't leave everything bad that ever happens again will be blamed on us not leaving. The fact remains that the patients got control of the asylum, if that is all legal and above board then we need to formulate an exit strategy.
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Cameron should have filled the form in on the Friday morning and handed a copy to Johnson - we could be five months down the line now - not dithering about trying to sort out what we should be doing, or not...


Jeremy Lefroy has just told me (and lots of others) this -

Both the Government and the EU said before and after the referendum that the result would be decisive. The referendum vote was binding upon Parliament and the UK will leave the European Union.


..yet, this is what the referendum bill actually said.

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..not my highlighting..


Sometimes, you have to make things up as you go along..

..sometimes, it's better to have an idea what you're actually going to do before you decide to do it.
 
Withnail

Withnail

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1JKz said:
Come to your senses man.
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... it is very possible that Britain's own evolution, and the evolution of the universe, might bring the English little by little towards the Continent, whatever delays the achievement might demand... to have had enough political courage to proclaim it, and to have led their country the first steps down the path which one day, perhaps, will lead it to moor alongside the Continent.

Charles de Gaulle, 1963
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For the last twenty years we have been brought, little by little, just that bit further away from the Continent. The delays to the achievement have been secured by the poisonous rancour of the very worst of our political representatives, who revel in the very past courage that they themselves lack. Whatever steps we have taken to mooring alongside the Continent have been counteracted by schoolboys throwing buckets of piss from the side of the boat.

We need to Leave not to save ourselves, but to save the Continent.
 
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andy w

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Withnail said:
I was 'virtually' chatting to a chap the other day, even before the Statement, who outright said he would otherwise have taken on an extra employee, offering them c. £30k p.a. were it not for the uncertainty ahead. Instead he's going to keep any 'spare' in a war-chest,so to speak, so he can keep those that he already has.
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On the other side of the coin, where I work is far busier now than what it was this time last year when all the temporary staff had been finished and we were put on short time/banking hours. Now extra agency workers are being taken on and overtime is being worked. I strongly suspect that the devalued Pound has helped increase export sales and I wonder how permenant the increase will be but for now it is increasing jobs within manufacturing.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
andy w said:
On the other side of the coin, where I work is far busier now than what it was this time last year when all the temporary staff had been finished and we were put on short time/banking hours. Now extra agency workers are being taken on and overtime is being worked. I strongly suspect that the devalued Pound has helped increase export sales and I wonder how permenant the increase will be but for now it is increasing jobs within manufacturing.
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Glad you work for an exporter, most work for a net importer.
 
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andy w

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Lucy said:
Materials have to be imported so there is probably less margin.
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Depends on what percentage the cost of imported materials/components makes up the total cost of manufacturing? Say for instance it is 10%, a 20% fall in the value of the Pound equates to only a 2% rise in the overall cost of manufacture which can be easily covered by the increase in sales.
 
Withnail

Withnail

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Well it's all going rather well so far, i think we can all agree...

Let's take stock -
Remainers (left holding the Brexit baby after the Leavers… left) “WTF?”

Leavers “We voted Brexit, now You Remainers need to implement it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “The People Have Spoken. Therefore it is possible. You just have to think positively.”

Remainers “And do what exactly?”

Leavers “Come up with a Plan that will leave us all better off outside the EU than in it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “Quit with the negative vibes. The People Have Spoken.”

Remainers “But even you don’t know how!”

Leavers “That’s your problem, we’ve done our bit and voted, we’re going to sit here and eat popcorn and watch as you do it.”

Remainers “Shouldn’t you do it?”

Leavers “It’s not up to us to work out the detail, it’s up to you experts.”

Remainers “I thought you’d had enough of experts”

Leavers “Remain experts.”

Remainers “There are no Leave experts”

Leavers “Then you’ll have to do it then. Oh, and by the way, no dragging your feet or complaining about it, because if you do a deal we don’t want, we’ll eat you alive.”

Remainers “But you don’t know what you want!”

Leavers “We want massive economic growth, no migration, free trade with the EU and every other country, on our terms, the revival of British industry, re-open the coal mines, tea and vicars on every village green, some bunting, and maybe restoration of the empire.”

Remainers “You’re delusional.”

Leavers “We’re a delusional majority. DEMOCRACY! So do the thing that isn’t possible, very quickly, and give all Leavers what they want, even though they don’t know what they want, and ignore the 16 million other voters who disagree. They’re tight trouser latte-sipping hipsters who whine all the time, who cares.”
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The most interesting thing about this "Unfinished Business" ( ™ Farage) Referendum is that the passage of time has meant that the amount of oldies (mostly Leave) popping their clogs + the amount of newly 18+ folk of voting age (mostly Remain) + an admittedly debatable fluctuation of regret on both sides = an almost equal reversal of fortunes ie slightly more than 52% Remain - even after just a risible six months.

Within just one year, by the end of 2017 - deaths of Leavers + enfranchised Remainers = something like a 54/46 split in favour of Remain.

I have yet to see any projections for this trend toward 2019, but one can only assume that they will follow accordingly.

Good job it is actually "Finished Business" (™ Farage, probably) so that we don't need to unnecessarily 'muddy' the waters.
 
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