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Madeline McCann discussion
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Jonah
Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Yes I am. And they should.
I'm pretty sure that if the parents had been less privileged people there would have been outcry from the media.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
1JKz
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This thread is still shocking me, i must turn away after this post.
You must remember victims are not the perpetrators!!
Small example of when children are away from their parents: every child up and down the land; across the world, are left in places that are not directly supervised by the parents of each child, and these places can easily be penetrated by the oddbods of this world and if someone really wanted to, could take a child from any number of these establishments, you only have to tune into global news to see this.
Other examples, all of which can be considered unsupervised for a moment or two: playing in the street, walking to school, popping to a mates for sleep over's, going to a local shop, playing in a back garden, Jesus Christ - the list goes on people...
I cannot understand how anyone can take a child that isn't theirs, should be everyone's first thought.
I'd imagine, children that are taken, have (whether it's for 2 seconds or 2 hours; doesn't matter) been unwatched, during the taking process, is this not obvious to some people?
You must remember victims are not the perpetrators!!
Small example of when children are away from their parents: every child up and down the land; across the world, are left in places that are not directly supervised by the parents of each child, and these places can easily be penetrated by the oddbods of this world and if someone really wanted to, could take a child from any number of these establishments, you only have to tune into global news to see this.
Other examples, all of which can be considered unsupervised for a moment or two: playing in the street, walking to school, popping to a mates for sleep over's, going to a local shop, playing in a back garden, Jesus Christ - the list goes on people...
I cannot understand how anyone can take a child that isn't theirs, should be everyone's first thought.
I'd imagine, children that are taken, have (whether it's for 2 seconds or 2 hours; doesn't matter) been unwatched, during the taking process, is this not obvious to some people?
tek-monkey
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I think the issue is their holier than thou approach, if they admitted they'd screwed up then people may give more of a toss about it. As it is most people think ignoring free childcare to go out on the lash leaving three children under 4 years old in an unlocked apartment 50m away from you where you cannot see it to be just a little bit irresponsible. I've never met anyone that lets kids under 4 play out in the street on their own, and Maddie was the eldest. Weren't the twins just 2? In the UK that would be illegal. But instead of prosecuting we have spent vast sums of taxpayers money on one child while ignoring all the other missing kids out there.
Lots of kids go missing here in the UK, most are never mentioned. I think to me that is the issue, they were at fault yet get everything. Other families that lost kids don't even get the names on TV once!
EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm still amazed everyone assumes she was taken. What proof is there? Absolutely none, she could have wandered out of the apartment down to the beach and drowned quite easily without anyone noticing. They found no evidence of DNA of an intruder, no damage to locks etc. and no sign of a struggle (which a kid would do if they woke up to a stranger surely?). To me the whole case is still a great big ?, nobody actually knows a thing. They have spent 6 years assuming some guy responsible enough to use the creche was the kidnapper FFS!
Lots of kids go missing here in the UK, most are never mentioned. I think to me that is the issue, they were at fault yet get everything. Other families that lost kids don't even get the names on TV once!
EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm still amazed everyone assumes she was taken. What proof is there? Absolutely none, she could have wandered out of the apartment down to the beach and drowned quite easily without anyone noticing. They found no evidence of DNA of an intruder, no damage to locks etc. and no sign of a struggle (which a kid would do if they woke up to a stranger surely?). To me the whole case is still a great big ?, nobody actually knows a thing. They have spent 6 years assuming some guy responsible enough to use the creche was the kidnapper FFS!
Trumpet
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Some people even have their own special branch officers on hand to retrieve their child from the pub.
Mikinton
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And bear in mind that this guy who supposedly used the crèche was carrying his child several hundred yards in just its pyjamas with nothing on its feet. The evenings in Portugal in the first week of May are quite cool by all accounts (remember the breeze that slammed the McCanns bedroom door shut). And who carries a child of that size like that anyway. And keeps their pyjamas handy for 6 years.
And of course there would have been crèche records, which weren't bad (though not perfect) judging by the ones that have been published. There would have been an entry for this person at around 9:20 (a bit late for dropping a child off and a bit early for collecting one) ..... and no doubt this person would have been matched with the sighting and crossed of the list of suspects.
I guess what I'm saying is that the McCanns friend never saw anyone at this time, and Scotland Yard know this and are just playing along. They haven't got enough to nail any of them, so they're just waiting for the first domino to topple.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Their 'mates' refused to do a reconstruction didn't they? Seem to remember that, although its been a while.
Mikinton
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Yep. I don't suppose the McCanns themselves were too keen, but the friends got the blame.
There's never been a Police Reconstruction, though there have been several for Crimewatch/TV Documentaries. Mondays was notable for the obvious inaccuracies; the McCanns never had a buggy before the disappearance, and the door to the childrens bedroom opened from the wrong side (quite important if you know the details of the case).
Mikinton
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For those that don't buy the Sunday Times, there's an interesting piece about the private investigators that the McCanns employed 5 years ago.
"A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public. Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy."
So the big new lead that Scotland Yard are now pushing has been suppressed by the McCanns for 5 years, and they've even Carter-Rucked their own investigators to prevent them bringing it into the public domain.
"A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public. Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy."
So the big new lead that Scotland Yard are now pushing has been suppressed by the McCanns for 5 years, and they've even Carter-Rucked their own investigators to prevent them bringing it into the public domain.
Mikinton
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As you're no doubt aware, things are kicking off again in Praia da Luz. Searches are being conducted, though I suspect not for a body, which will be long gone. More likely her pyjamas, her blanket or a missing sports bag "that you could hide a, a tennis racquet in" [David Payne, one of the Tapas 7 - yes, he actually said that].
One item of very important news seems to have gone unnoticed by the UK press (it was released yesterday @ 6:00pm) ....
"Judge rules that Kate and Gerry McCann do not possess the authority to sue Gonçalo Amaral in their daughter’s name."
http://pjga.blogspot.com/2014/06/ward-of-court-decision-issued-by-judge.html
tl;dr - The McCanns have taken the Portuguese detective who led the case and published a book, to court for libel, i.e. all five of them, the parents, the twins and Madeleine. It's now been ruled that because Madeleine has been made a Ward of Court, they now need to produce documentation of that court's approval from the time the action was first taken.
One item of very important news seems to have gone unnoticed by the UK press (it was released yesterday @ 6:00pm) ....
"Judge rules that Kate and Gerry McCann do not possess the authority to sue Gonçalo Amaral in their daughter’s name."
http://pjga.blogspot.com/2014/06/ward-of-court-decision-issued-by-judge.html
tl;dr - The McCanns have taken the Portuguese detective who led the case and published a book, to court for libel, i.e. all five of them, the parents, the twins and Madeleine. It's now been ruled that because Madeleine has been made a Ward of Court, they now need to produce documentation of that court's approval from the time the action was first taken.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
FFS, can't they just **** off? Yes its awful your daughter is dead but you have to take some responsibility, if I killed someone through neglect I'd still get prison time so just STFU and be happy you still walk free when most wouldn't.