darben
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I'm not in the trade, and their advice at the trade counter has helped me out of a big pickle on more than one occasion.
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Stafford Council tell Plumbits to take down signs after 20 years
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I'm not in the trade, and their advice at the trade counter has helped me out of a big pickle on more than one occasion.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
So does anyone know the exact law they fell foul of? I noticed Sainsburys have quite a big sign too, and the Heart Foundation place has one all the way across the top of the shop doesn't it? Is it based on cm2? Is it based on sign in relation to shop? Is it bollox, and not followed by anyone?
darben
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I'm not sure but I think some kind of planning permission is required for signage so I'm wondering if its that is what is being challenged. If this is the case I think the council would be better placed on focusing their attention on some of the monstrosities that they have allowed to be put up in recent years.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Doesn't planning permission get automatically granted if its been a while? Probably wrong, but its one of those things 'everyone knows'!
davem
A few posts under my belt
Took the planners 3 weeks to realise the protected trees on the protected marshland near the the protected woodland opposite plumbits had been cut down in their prime by a ruthless tree surgeon working like a beaver on speed on a Sunday Morning.
wonder if he got a letter !!
whilst on the subject,
The new development opposite Plumbits (AKA The Bovis Development) will clearly overlook those amazing 20 year old signs !!
Now its not for me to put words or pictures into ones mind, but; I'm pretty sure these developers use solicitors, don't they!!
wonder if he got a letter !!
whilst on the subject,
The new development opposite Plumbits (AKA The Bovis Development) will clearly overlook those amazing 20 year old signs !!
Now its not for me to put words or pictures into ones mind, but; I'm pretty sure these developers use solicitors, don't they!!
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Will Morrison's not be in the way, perhaps..?
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
You might have to squint to see much of Plumbits from any of the houses shown on here - http://www.bovishomes.co.uk/Downloads/St-georges-displays.pdf . Far be it from me to appear to defend the tree-vandals, but I do doubt that this emanates from them..
davem
A few posts under my belt
I have to say that that fact that these Plumbits Signs have been up for 20 years is a testament to the workmanship of the people that erected them.And probably underwater anyway!
I was just thinking; How long was it before the new cladding directly outside the planning department fell off our shiny new civic offices !!
about 1 week me thinks!!
HOW EMBARRASSING !!
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
That is true. It would be interesting to know who did them - we have had some enquiries about sign-writer recommendations lately...
davem
A few posts under my belt
I have to say that that fact that these Plumbits Signs have been up for 20 years is a testament to the workmanship of the people that erected them.
I was just thinking; How long was it before the new cladding directly outside the planning department fell off our shiny new civic offices !!
about 1 week me thinks!!
HOW EMBARRASSING !!
Plumbits
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Good morning to every body,i would just like to say thanks for all the comments and points raised,some points i had not even thought of but gives me more ammunition to fight my case,i did point out to the enforcement officer there were other properties in the town with there whole shop fronts covered in sinage,that appears to be a different matter.
With regards to the reason for the local firm of solicitors getting the whole thing started i am still looking into that,
I would once again like to thank all the people stafford for supporting me in this,i have also had messages from all over the world on are new face book site ,from ex customers who have moved abroad.
the whole thing with the support has taken me completly by suprise and has obviously touched a nerve with people who have common sense,
thank you
With regards to the reason for the local firm of solicitors getting the whole thing started i am still looking into that,
I would once again like to thank all the people stafford for supporting me in this,i have also had messages from all over the world on are new face book site ,from ex customers who have moved abroad.
the whole thing with the support has taken me completly by suprise and has obviously touched a nerve with people who have common sense,
thank you
Plumbits
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Its quite a coincidence you have mentioned the workmanship in putting the signs up 20 years ago as the guy who put them up commented on our facebook site that he was the person who put them up,i wonder if the cladding company wants his number as they wouldnt have to go back for atleast 20 years to put the job right
bpelectric
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This might answer your questions http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/783/schedule/3/made
Or
Class 2
Miscellaneous advertisements relating to the premises on which they are displayed
Description
2A. An advertisement displayed for the purpose of identification, direction or warning, with respect to the land or building on which it is displayed.
Conditions and Limitations
2A. —
(1) No advertisement may exceed 0.3 square metre in area.
(2) Illumination is not permitted.
(3) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height, or 0.3 metre in an area of special control.
(4) No part of the advertisement may be more than 4.6 metres above ground level, or 3.6 metres in an area of special control.
Description
2B. An advertisement relating to any person, partnership or company separately carrying on a profession, business or trade at the premises where it is displayed.
Conditions and Limitations
2B. —
(1) No advertisement may exceed 0.3 square metre in area.
(2) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height, or 0.3 metre in an area of special control.
(3) No part of the advertisement may be more than 4.6 metres above ground level, or 3.6 metres in an area of special control.
(4) Not more than one advertisement is permitted for each person, partnership or company or, in the case of premises with entrances on different road frontages, one advertisement at each of two such entrances.
(5) Illumination is not permitted unless—
(a)the advertisement states that the services of a practitioner in human health or a veterinary surgeon are available at the premises on which the advertisement is displayed, or that medical or veterinary supplies are available there;
(b)the illumination—
(i)is by static means,
(ii)includes no intermittent light source, flashing lights, moving parts or features, exposed cold cathode tubing, animation or retroflective material, and
(iii)is in a manner reasonably required to fulfil the purpose of the advertisement; and
(c)the levels of luminance do not exceed the levels set out in paragraph 2 of Part 2.
Or
Class 2
Miscellaneous advertisements relating to the premises on which they are displayed
Description
2A. An advertisement displayed for the purpose of identification, direction or warning, with respect to the land or building on which it is displayed.
Conditions and Limitations
2A. —
(1) No advertisement may exceed 0.3 square metre in area.
(2) Illumination is not permitted.
(3) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height, or 0.3 metre in an area of special control.
(4) No part of the advertisement may be more than 4.6 metres above ground level, or 3.6 metres in an area of special control.
Description
2B. An advertisement relating to any person, partnership or company separately carrying on a profession, business or trade at the premises where it is displayed.
Conditions and Limitations
2B. —
(1) No advertisement may exceed 0.3 square metre in area.
(2) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height, or 0.3 metre in an area of special control.
(3) No part of the advertisement may be more than 4.6 metres above ground level, or 3.6 metres in an area of special control.
(4) Not more than one advertisement is permitted for each person, partnership or company or, in the case of premises with entrances on different road frontages, one advertisement at each of two such entrances.
(5) Illumination is not permitted unless—
(a)the advertisement states that the services of a practitioner in human health or a veterinary surgeon are available at the premises on which the advertisement is displayed, or that medical or veterinary supplies are available there;
(b)the illumination—
(i)is by static means,
(ii)includes no intermittent light source, flashing lights, moving parts or features, exposed cold cathode tubing, animation or retroflective material, and
(iii)is in a manner reasonably required to fulfil the purpose of the advertisement; and
(c)the levels of luminance do not exceed the levels set out in paragraph 2 of Part 2.
bpelectric
Well-Known Forumite
Class 4 Illuminated advertisements on business premises
Description
4A. An illuminated advertisement displayed on the frontage of premises within a retail park, which overlook or face on to a communal car park wholly bounded by the retail park, where the advertisement refers wholly to any or all of the following: the business carried on, the goods sold or services provided, or the name or qualifications of the person carrying on the business, or supplying the goods or services, on those premises.
Conditions and Limitations
4A. —
(1) Subject to paragraph (2), no advertisement is permitted within a conservation area, an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, a National Park or the Broads.
(2) Paragraph (1) does not preclude the continued display of an advertisement that is displayed at the date of designation of the relevant area until the expiry of 5 years from that date.
(3) Not more than one advertisement of the prescribed description parallel to a wall and one projecting at right angles from a wall is permitted, and in the case of any projecting advertisement—
(5) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height.
(6) No part of the advertisement may be higher above ground level than 4.6 metres or the bottom level of any first floor window in the wall on which the advertisement is displayed, whichever is the lower.
(7) Illumination is permitted only where—
(10) In the case of an advertisement consisting of a built-up box containing the light source, the distance between—
Description
4B. An illuminated advertisement, other than one falling within Class 4A, displayed on business premises wholly with reference to any or all of the following: the business carried on, the goods sold or services provided, or the name or qualifications of the person carrying on the business, or supplying the goods or services, on those premises.
Conditions and Limitations
4B. —
(1) Subject to paragraph (2), no advertisement is permitted within a conservation area, an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, a National Park or the Broads.
(2) Paragraph (1) does not preclude the continued display of an advertisement that is displayed at the date of designation of the relevant area until the expiry of 5 years from that date.
(3) In the case of a shop, no advertisement may be displayed except on a wall containing a shop window.
(4) Not more than one advertisement parallel to a wall and one projecting at right angles from a wall is permitted, and in the case of any projecting advertisement—
(6) No surface of the advertisement may exceed one-sixth of the frontage on which it is displayed, measured up to a height of 4.6 metres from ground level or one-fifth of the frontage measured to the top of the advertisement, whichever is less.
(7) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height.
(8) No part of the advertisement may be higher above ground level than 4.6 metres or the bottom level of any first floor window in the wall on which the advertisement is displayed, whichever is the lower.
(9) Illumination is permitted only where—
(12) In the case of an advertisement consisting of a built-up box containing the light source, the distance between—
Description
4A. An illuminated advertisement displayed on the frontage of premises within a retail park, which overlook or face on to a communal car park wholly bounded by the retail park, where the advertisement refers wholly to any or all of the following: the business carried on, the goods sold or services provided, or the name or qualifications of the person carrying on the business, or supplying the goods or services, on those premises.
Conditions and Limitations
4A. —
(1) Subject to paragraph (2), no advertisement is permitted within a conservation area, an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, a National Park or the Broads.
(2) Paragraph (1) does not preclude the continued display of an advertisement that is displayed at the date of designation of the relevant area until the expiry of 5 years from that date.
(3) Not more than one advertisement of the prescribed description parallel to a wall and one projecting at right angles from a wall is permitted, and in the case of any projecting advertisement—
(a)
no surface may be greater than 1 square metre in area;
(b)
the advertisement may not project more than 1 metre from the wall; and
(c)
the advertisement may not be more than 1.5 metres high.
(4) The lowest part of the advertisement must be at least 2.5 metres above ground level.(5) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height.
(6) No part of the advertisement may be higher above ground level than 4.6 metres or the bottom level of any first floor window in the wall on which the advertisement is displayed, whichever is the lower.
(7) Illumination is permitted only where—
(a)
it is by static means,
(b)
it includes no intermittent light source, flashing lights, moving parts or features, exposed cold cathode tubing, animation or retroflective material, and
(c)
it is in a manner reasonably required to fulfil the purpose of the advertisement.
(8) may be—(a)
by halo illumination(1), or
(b)
so long as no part of the background of the advertisement is illuminated, by illumination of each character or symbol of the advertisement from within.
(9) Where the method of illumination is that described in paragraph (8)(b), the luminance of the advertisement may not exceed the levels specified in paragraph 2 of Part 2.(10) In the case of an advertisement consisting of a built-up box containing the light source, the distance between—
(a)
the face of the advertisement and any wall parallel to which it is displayed, at the point where it is affixed, or
(b)
the two faces of an advertisement projecting from a wall,
may not exceed 0.25 metre.Description
4B. An illuminated advertisement, other than one falling within Class 4A, displayed on business premises wholly with reference to any or all of the following: the business carried on, the goods sold or services provided, or the name or qualifications of the person carrying on the business, or supplying the goods or services, on those premises.
Conditions and Limitations
4B. —
(1) Subject to paragraph (2), no advertisement is permitted within a conservation area, an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, a National Park or the Broads.
(2) Paragraph (1) does not preclude the continued display of an advertisement that is displayed at the date of designation of the relevant area until the expiry of 5 years from that date.
(3) In the case of a shop, no advertisement may be displayed except on a wall containing a shop window.
(4) Not more than one advertisement parallel to a wall and one projecting at right angles from a wall is permitted, and in the case of any projecting advertisement—
(a)
no surface may be greater than 0.75 square metre in area;
(b)
the advertisement may not project more than 1 metre from the wall or two thirds of the width of any footway or pavement below, whichever is the less;
(c)
the advertisement may not be more than 1 metre high; and
(d)
it may not project over any carriageway.
(5) The lowest part of the advertisement shall be at least 2.5 metres above ground level.(6) No surface of the advertisement may exceed one-sixth of the frontage on which it is displayed, measured up to a height of 4.6 metres from ground level or one-fifth of the frontage measured to the top of the advertisement, whichever is less.
(7) No character or symbol on the advertisement may be more than 0.75 metre in height.
(8) No part of the advertisement may be higher above ground level than 4.6 metres or the bottom level of any first floor window in the wall on which the advertisement is displayed, whichever is the lower.
(9) Illumination is permitted only where—
(a)
it is by static means,
(b)
it includes no intermittent light source, flashing lights, moving parts or features, exposed cold cathode tubing, animation or retroflective material, and
(c)
it is in a manner reasonably required to fulfil the purpose of the advertisement.
(10) Illumination may be—(a)
by halo illumination(2), or
(b)
so long as no part of the background of the advertisement is illuminated, by illumination of each character or symbol of the advertisement from within.
(11) Where the method of illumination is that described in paragraph (10)(b), the luminance of the advertisement may not exceed the levels specified in paragraph 2 of Part 2.(12) In the case of an advertisement consisting of a built-up box containing the light source, the distance between—
(a)
the face of the advertisement and any wall parallel to which it is displayed, at the point where it is affixed, or
(b)
the two faces of an advertisement projecting from a wall,
may not exceed 0.25 metre.
bpelectric
Well-Known Forumite
This document goes on and on but you can see its not a cut and dried case
bpelectric
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Yer went in this morning signed on the dotted line so to speak