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[RowanDraper]

are you looking at taking the opportunity to highlight what could be lost from stafford hospital at the half marathan, it seems it would be great opportunity to raise a large number of peoples awareness and pass on dates of any forthcoming events. just a thought

It has been mentioned on Facebook as part of the efforts to get everyone involved with the Save Mid Staffs Facebook group.

I believe there are other efforts being discussed and meetings put in motion to ensure that the greatest effort in communicating with people is taken.

 

[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

It has been mentioned on Facebook as part of the efforts to get everyone involved with the Save Mid Staffs Facebook group.

I believe there are other efforts being discussed and meetings put in motion to ensure that the greatest effort in communicating with people is taken.

In the spirit of communication presumably you will also be raising the fact that it was a Labour Government asleep at the wheel whilst the disgraceful events at Stafford were unfolding , it was a Labour Government in charge whilst the target chasing, cost cutting above patient care was promoted at Stafford, it was a Labour Government overseeing a host of failed Health Regulators, it was a Labour Government who awarded Foundation Trust Status to Stafford whilst people were dying in their own waste.

"When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses.”
― Shirley Chisholm

 

[proactive]

It has been mentioned on Facebook as part of the efforts to get everyone involved with the Save Mid Staffs Facebook group.

I believe there are other efforts being discussed and meetings put in motion to ensure that the greatest effort in communicating with people is taken.

As someone who doesn't do Facebook, would it be possible to post on here if there are petitions that need to be signed, public meetings to attend etc etc?

 

[RowanDraper]

The Labour Government and the Opposition have both apologised for what happened at Mid Staffs.

I know the Save Mid Staffs campaign is keen to focus on the fight we face now in defending the local Hospital and its services. Our challenge is to convince Monitor, the Administrators, The CCG, the Government and anybody else with responsibility for decision making powers in respect of Mid Staffs to keep services, and our Hospital open, and available to people in need.

 

[RowanDraper]

As someone who doesn't do Facebook, would it be possible to post on here if there are petitions that need to be signed, public meetings to attend etc etc?

Yes John, I'll make sure that Stafford Forum receives the information also.

 

[proactive]

Yes John, I'll make sure that Stafford Forum receives the information also.

Ta.

 

[Admin]

Yes John, I'll make sure that Stafford Forum receives the information also.

Many thanks, RowanDraper; the more avenues of communication, the better.

 

[peggy]

Regardless of where the blame lies this is the time to start fighting to keep our services and its important that we work together, if we want a local hospital thats going to provide a full services to an ever growing town.
if we sit back and do nothing it will be too late and stafford will be without a hospital.
there is an online petition but I dont really know how to put it up on here??
Maybe Rowan Draper would like to assist in that, also Rowan Draper, if there is a possibility of something been done to raise awareness at the half marathan and future meetings etc would it not be more proactive if you spoke with save mid staffs group and got them on here to give us some info. Just telling us you think something is been done but not telling us what it is, is useless.

 

[RowanDraper]

Regardless of where the blame lies this is the time to start fighting to keep our services and its important that we work together, if we want a local hospital thats going to provide a full services to an ever growing town. if we sit back and do nothing it will be too late and stafford will be without a hospital. there is an online petition but I dont really know how to put it up on here??

Hi Peggy,

An online petition available is located here: http://t.co/GtVXkLXp2u

However, before you sign it, I would recommend you read this: http://rowandraper.weebly.com/1/pos...l-referendum-on-stafford-hospital-doesnt.html

Maybe Rowan Draper would like to assist in that, also Rowan Draper, if there is a possibility of something been done to raise awareness at the half marathan and future meetings etc would it not be more proactive if you spoke with save mid staffs group and got them on here to give us some info. Just telling us you think something is been done but not telling us what it is, is useless.

Again, I am aware of a number of ideas people have floating about but until they are confirmed I don't think it's responsible to get people's hopes up for action that may not take place. We surely want to people to act decisively and with one voice?

As a campaigner involved with the Save Mid Staffs group we are meeting on Tuesday to discuss how we move forward. Once that meeting has happened I am sure that a member (maybe even myself) will come to the Forum to inform people of how we're moving forward.

 

[peggy]

All very good but found the little bit about it not being "responsible to get peoples hopes up" and "surely we want to act decisively and with one voice" a touch patronising, if you had come back with something more on the lines of "yes i can see a strength of interest on here and I will find out more and get back to you" kind of reply you would have got a little more respect from me....and maybe the time and venue of the meeting, presuming its not a closed meeting ? so that others from here who are able to attend could.

 

[Gramaisc]

All very good but found the little bit about it not being "responsible to get peoples hopes up" and "surely we want to act decisively and with one voice" a touch patronising, if you had come back with something more on the lines of "yes i can see a strength of interest on here and I will find out more and get back to you" kind of reply you would have got a little more respect from me....and maybe the time and venue of the meeting, presuming its not a closed meeting ? so that others from here who are able to attend could.

I might be wrong, but I took 'the Meeting' to be the one that occurs at the Elim Church in Sash Street on a Tuesday evening - maybe Rowan can confirm my suspicions..

 

[RowanDraper]

All very good but found the little bit about it not being "responsible to get peoples hopes up" and "surely we want to act decisively and with one voice" a touch patronising, if you had come back with something more on the lines of "yes i can see a strength of interest on here and I will find out more and get back to you" kind of reply you would have got a little more respect from me....and maybe the time and venue of the meeting, presuming its not a closed meeting ? so that others from here who are able to attend could.

Hi Peggy,

My intention was not to be patronising so I'm sorry if you think it was. My point was only to stress that we would all surely want to make the campaign action we take to be strong as possible, united with all people of Stafford, rather than how we have been working for the last two years with different groups pulling in different ways to try and achieve the same ends.

I will find out about the status of the meeting, because I haven't called it, and who can attend.

 

[RowanDraper]

I might be wrong, but I took 'the Meeting' to be the one that occurs at the Elim Church in Sash Street on a Tuesday evening - maybe Rowan can confirm my suspicions..

The meeting I was referring to, was as I understand it, a meeting for all the campaign groups to come together and organise the campaign.

 

[peggy]

appology accepted and happier knowing that you will keep us all updated. working together is the only way forward, just need to make sure communication is good.

 

[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

The Labour Government and the Opposition have both apologised for what happened at Mid Staffs.

I know the Save Mid Staffs campaign is keen to focus on the fight we face now in defending the local Hospital and its services. Our challenge is to convince Monitor, the Administrators, The CCG, the Government and anybody else with responsibility for decision making powers in respect of Mid Staffs to keep services, and our Hospital open, and available to people in need.

An apology? Oh well thats fine then. No need for anyone to lose their job or go to prison - so long as all those implicated have said sorry.

I'm sorry, I don't wish to have a go at your personally, you may have very good intentions I just find the Party that you represent and their crocodile tears over the hospital pretty distasteful

The fact that Labour and other Political Parties have said sorry for what went on and therefore de facto have accepted some meagre level of culpability to my mind means that they are better off staying out of campaigning for the hospital's future. Let ordinary people fight for its future without interference from Political bandwagon jumpers.

 

[proactive]

Let ordinary people fight for its future without interference from Political bandwagon jumpers.

 

[Gareth]

This isn't the time nor the place to be pointing fingers, enough of that has been done thank you. Time to move and move forward for those who want a hospital. Taking side swipes at people who care is not what this about and will get us nowhere.

 

[RowanDraper]

The fact that Labour and other Political Parties have said sorry for what went on and therefore de facto have accepted some meagre level of culpability to my mind means that they are better off staying out of campaigning for the hospital's future. Let ordinary people fight for its future without interference from Political bandwagon jumpers.

I can't agree with your assessment, quite frankly.

Political party members, regardless of what many may think, are ordinary people.

They live within the community, and use the same services you do, and they get involved because they care. Not because they are interfering. Interference implies they aren't wanted or expected and if you think it's right to sideline people because they're a political party member I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree with you.

The proposals put forward mean that a lot of people will suffer at the loss of services and medical emergencies don't ask who you vote for before they come.

The whole reason we are where we are, above all else, is because of a breakdown in communication. And that should mean that we don't stop listening to people now.

 

[Gramaisc]

Please, don't let this happen.

It's just what 'they' would like..

 

[Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt]

I can't agree with your assessment, quite frankly.

Political party members, regardless of what many may think, are ordinary people.

They live within the community, and use the same services you do, and they get involved because they care. Not because they are interfering. Interference implies they aren't wanted or expected and if you think it's right to sideline people because they're a political party member I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree with you.

The proposals put forward mean that a lot of people will suffer at the loss of services and medical emergencies don't ask who you vote for before they come.

The whole reason we are where we are, above all else, is because of a breakdown in communication. And that should mean that we don't stop listening to people now.

I think we are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this one. To be honest your “I’m just an ordinary man of the people” spiel just sounds like yet more Politicised windbaggery.

I agree with Gareth’ comments above in so much as the point he makes that it is now time to focus on what is best for the hospital going forward. It is my honest opinion that this is best served led and championed by ordinary people, ordinary members of the Community.
If you look for example at the success that Julie Bailey had in terms of whistleblowing and her campaign to shine a light on wrongdoing I believe the success was due in no small part to her being an ordinary, non-Political figure.

I’m sure you mean well but Politics in this Country, especially that related to the Lib-Lab-Con is mortally wounded. People have had a gut full of the lot of you.
If Political figures (at whatever level) get too involved in the campaign to keep the hospital open I honestly believe it will have a negative effect.