Term time absence

Bob

Well-Known Forumite
Term time absence legislation is a pain in the backside as far as I’m concerned, it’s stupid to apply to primary age children, mine last week watched Minions and Bambi during the school day, and I’m perfectly capable of sitting them in front of the TV at home thanks!


So I’ve been reading a few articles today and one thing I hadn’t realised is that the rules so blatantly don’t apply to you if you are rich, a local athlete has been granted term time holiday, that’s fine, because the team training schedule is apparently the only thing that matters, though as a business owner and summer being our manic period we haven’t had a family holiday since 2013. We have to take odd days where we can which is tricky when our working week is the full seven days for April-September, our only opportunity for time of is between contracts following periods of stupidly wet weather, we can’t block out a week 3 months in advance to suit the local education authority. Also private school kids are held to a completely different standard as term time holiday rules don’t apply.


Eldest child’s latest career goal is to be a chef, this fad has been around for more than a year, she met Nadia from Bake off and that was that, I’m not entirely convinced that it’s not going to stick. The only thing we are allowed to have on the telly is cooking shows, every master chef from around the world, adults and kids, bake off, some crap with Gordon Ramsy’s daughter that I can’t bear to sit through, come dine with me over and over and over again, I miss when she used to watch cartoons. She wants to cook constantly as we speak she is coming up with a 3 course dinner from what she can find in the fridge, only problem is I currently have at least 3 days of meals and I can see the need to go shopping in the morning because by the time she’s finished I will have nothing to complete a meal for tea tomorrow evening.


So she’s saw an advert for the Good Food Show, OMG MARRY BERRY!!!! She’s so excited, she needs a Mary Berry signed cookbook for her collection (currently standing at 1 with Nadia) she absolute has to go, apparently!


Saturday is sold out, Sunday we have a Christening to go to, my husband is a God Parent, we can’t get out of it. That leaves us with Friday, it’s Hubbys birthday, we can book a hotel and go to Warwick castle before we head back next day, this is educational, the kids will be learning things and more importantly it’s quality family time doing something my daughter is passionate about and fully engaged in and making memories that will last for a lifetime. But the good old rule makers won’t allow it, in a computer says no situation what do we as parents do?


Do we deny our daughters and ourselves of this experience or do we risk irreparably harming their education because they missed a day of learning naff all?
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
If child is up to it, then swear her to secrecy and pull a sickie. The whole family could have the same stomach bug.

The bizarre obsession with attendance is a farce - you won't get compensation when the have a snow day for instance...
 

Bob

Well-Known Forumite
The last school the girls went to had 3 or 4 strike days since this legislation came in, I didn't hear about all the teachers being fined or the massive media sh*t storm surrounding those lost days of education.

I think it's a money making scam that benefits nobody but target obsessed men is suits at some oblivious branch of Government.

Kids are missing out on holidays, time with their family, experiences, variety, cultural education and fun, learning doesn't just have to happen in the class room. I can't take my kids out of school for something like the Good Food Show but the school can take them on a trip to the cinema, it's laughable!

The more I think about it this week especially, home schooling seems like a nice idea - then I remember that the six week holidays feels like a 6 year school break and maybe I'm just not 'that kind of parent'
 

Glam

Mad Cat Woman
If child is up to it, then swear her to secrecy and pull a sickie. The whole family could have the same stomach bug.

The bizarre obsession with attendance is a farce - you won't get compensation when the have a snow day for instance...
@Bob If you can get away with this, then do it.
Time is precious enough with your children at any age.
My No2 son (33) wanted to be a chef from when he could talk, Went straight to the Gatehouse from college, met a huge array of people. I even have photos of him at a year old helping me make mince pies. He's accomplished his dream, worked in a variety of places. At age 19 he ran the Wayfarer in Stone for a few weeks, thoroughly loved the experience.
Take her out for the day, say you've all got a stomach bug, but make sure you aren't on any telly cameras! xx
 

Gadget

Well-Known Forumite
I'm not the best person to advise on this as i'm an unconventional home edder. I say screw it, pull a sickie or tell them you are educating your child elsewhere that day. If you can be arsed either come up with a few ideas how it can be educational or throw them off by asking them to set a piece of work based upon what you are doing.
Law says a child must be educated, it does not specify where.

P.S
I'm/was a chef. Hard work but i did love it. Met celebrities, royalty, scum (politicians). Could have seen the world but Eldest Spawn came along and changed my life. I had a good education complete with term time holidays etc. Walked out with 9 good G.C.S.E's didn't do A levels as i went to college and took catering. I was the Midland Catermind Champion and was ranked 13th in the country for a while.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
We took my OHs daughter out of school for a few days as part of a weeks holiday, but she had 100% attendance up til then and it was already the spring. If they had argued the point I would have happily gone to court to argue that she still attended a LOT more than some students who weren't being fined but they didn't bother with us.

Seriously, one day? If it's an academy they may bitch as I'm not sure where the money goes for those fines but for real schools most head teachers won't care as long as the child is otherwise attending well.
 

Carole

Well-Known Forumite
I’m so totally out of the loop with this, my son is 22, but I do remember the amazing head teacher that he had at Bednall school when he was in primary.

It probably wouldn’t be allowed now, but at the time my son was about 7 and they were doing something in school about Egypt.

In my job as BA Purser, I had a trip going to Cairo and I could take my son to work but it involved him taking the Friday and Monday off.

However, he would get get to see the Pyramids, The Egyptian Museum of Cairo, Tutankhamuns tomb, meet local people, actually be there.

The amazing head teacher saw the benefit of it and gave us his blessing.

So I took my son to work with me.

I’ve always thought that travel, and/or new experience are an education in itself.
 

littleme

250,000th poster!
Mini-me is in high school, I believe the prefered excuse is sick days...

...but, be mindfull that the younger the child, the more likely he/she will be to blab about being on holiday & not poorly!
 

zebidee

Well-Known Forumite
Are you prepared to pay the fine? Work it into the costing of the trip.

Fines were challenged in the high court I believe by John Platt and he lost. That puts the schools in a strong position if they choose to fine you.

sadly when the job of education is delegated to the system they're free to make the rules.

You could deregister and pursue the cooking passion full time as home educators?
 

Thehooperman

Well-Known Forumite
Could you not claim it is parent training day and the kids need to be present for it to be realistic either that or there are no parents available to deliver them to the school?
 

littleme

250,000th poster!
Are you prepared to pay the fine? Work it into the costing of the trip.
Many people think the fine is a flat £60. Im led to believe its infact £60 per child, per day, per parent. So 2 days for 2 kids is 2x £120 = £240!
 

EasMid

Well-Known Forumite
If it's anything like the school the child we care for attends, they have all sorts of procedures in place regarding absences & child protection. If a child is absent & no-one has informed the school they will contact the child's contact list. If they can't make contact they'll report it to the police ( there's a couple of steps before this). It'll be recorded as "unauthorised absence". If the child is "ill" & a responsible person informs the school before 9am no further action is needed & it's recorded as "authorised absence". Usually informing them just means leaving a voicemail message on their absence line. I think you can work out what I'd do.
In our case the school won't normally report "unauthorised absence" if the child has less than 10 absences in any 2 half terms (1day would mean 2 absences, am & pm). According to our contact at the school, they don't issue any fine. It's their decision whether they report the incident to the county council who have the final decision about penalty notices.
We took him out of school for 5 days last year, we applied for prior permission. We weren't "officially" granted permission but he was marked as 3 days authorised, 2 days unauthorised. No further action was taken. He did have 100% attendance other than that though & he is doing really well at school.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
She'll catch up, no different to being ill. The reason behind the absence is irrelevant, if the bum ain't on the seat the outcome is the same.
 

Thehooperman

Well-Known Forumite
For balance. Dont do it. You are damaging her education and she will want to be a vet or a paleantologist or some such next week. Carry on.

Absolute balderdash with regards to damaging education, kids learn from experience and not sitting behind a desk for the sake of it.

Yes she'll want to be something else next week. So what? Learning is about going out, trying things and finding out what suits you as an individual isn't it?
 

PeterD

ST16 Represent.
Absolute balderdash with regards to damaging education, kids learn from experience and not sitting behind a desk for the sake of it.

Yes she'll want to be something else next week. So what? Learning is about going out, trying things and finding out what suits you as an individual isn't it?
No its purely about the grades you acquire only through the school system. Life learns you nothing, or experiences. Only what can be measured by an exam.
 
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