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Union Strikes at Perkins, Stafford - 2010
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well said striker 1 ! Good to have somebody giving our side of the story . We all want a long term future for perkins stafford , its one of the few industries left in the area , and talk of pay disputes threatening the future of the factory is ridiculous . Wage and logistic costs comparared to say, china are poles apart and a corporate "streamlining" of any business in the u.k. would never compete anyway. However , the reputation and growing demand for staffords engines reflects the good work done over the years by all its employees and we are just asking for a minute part of the 250 milllion $ profit stafford made over the last 3 . fighting for fairness and fighting for the future . keep the faith !
Theorum
Old Skool Vet
Maybe if CAT weren't so hell bent on world domination they might have some money left in the budget for a pay rise for its existing employees....
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-15/caterpillar-to-buy-bucyrus-to-expand-mining-range.html
Admin - I don't usually repeat old news but I think this
2007 - http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKWEN292520070126
2008 - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE49K3W320081021
2009 - (no reuters.com found) http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=CAT& … m&z=66&y=0
http://www.caterpillar.com/investors/st … gs-history
2009 - http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/n … ticle.html
2009 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=caterpillar%202009
2009 - http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-ne … -22185059/
2009/10 - http://www.cat.com/cda/files/2177181/7/ … lease1.pdf
2010 - http://www.caterpillar.com/careers/job- … job-search
Who exactly is paying for this global down turn?
When should people speak out????
When should others listen????
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-15/caterpillar-to-buy-bucyrus-to-expand-mining-range.html
Admin - I don't usually repeat old news but I think this
2007 - http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKWEN292520070126
2008 - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE49K3W320081021
2009 - (no reuters.com found) http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=CAT& … m&z=66&y=0
http://www.caterpillar.com/investors/st … gs-history
2009 - http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/n … ticle.html
2009 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=caterpillar%202009
2009 - http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-ne … -22185059/
2009/10 - http://www.cat.com/cda/files/2177181/7/ … lease1.pdf
2010 - http://www.caterpillar.com/careers/job- … job-search
Who exactly is paying for this global down turn?
When should people speak out????
When should others listen????
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Alan B'Stard
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welcome on board osr, nice to see that things are slowly getting more civilised again.
staff have an agreemant as far as i know to enter into wage negotiations every two years at stafford........ fair and hopefully profitable for both parties.
with this/last years negotiations it has pretty much been single sided, management put there offer forward and that was that........ take it or leave it (or as one mangers was overheard saying to an employee " you know where the door is")
sorry if this offends anyone but the truth of the matter is that is exactly what shopfloor have to put up with.
staff have an agreemant as far as i know to enter into wage negotiations every two years at stafford........ fair and hopefully profitable for both parties.
with this/last years negotiations it has pretty much been single sided, management put there offer forward and that was that........ take it or leave it (or as one mangers was overheard saying to an employee " you know where the door is")
sorry if this offends anyone but the truth of the matter is that is exactly what shopfloor have to put up with.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Gotta admit I love the idea of the top brass only being allowed 10x the salary of their lowest paid worker. I'd want it to be much easier to fire the wasters though, its very rare I've worked somewhere that a percentage of the workforce aren't carried by their peers.
Maybe pay 50% more, but every year replace the worst 10% of your staff. Everyone works harder, the firm earns more and so can pay the better wages.
Maybe pay 50% more, but every year replace the worst 10% of your staff. Everyone works harder, the firm earns more and so can pay the better wages.
shoes
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Cheers ColinColin Grigson said:shoes said:<sarcasm>http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/benlawton/DM.jpg</sarcasm?>tek-monkey said:Shoes eats words shocker!
OSR says "talk of pay disputes threatening the future of the factory is ridiculous". Au contraire! What company is going to continue investing in a factory whose employees aren't delievering for customers? And which customers are going to continue buying from a company whose delivery times are slipping because of a strike? Of course the pay dispute threatens the future of the factory. Most people in the UK would be delighted with a 4% pay increase and a £2,000 bonus!!!
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Not sure I would if I'd had a 10% pay cut previously and the company was making lots of money. I'd expect the 10% back, as I expect do most others. If it wasn't for that 10% I'd agree entirely!
EDIT: I take that back! From what I can see the 10% cut was for office staff, not shopfloor. In that case I'd expect to see the office staffs 10% reinstated before any raises are made for shopfloor staff. And as they didn't get their pay cut previously then yes, 4% and 2k in your pocket is indeed a more than fair offer and one I'd happily accept in my job!
EDIT: I take that back! From what I can see the 10% cut was for office staff, not shopfloor. In that case I'd expect to see the office staffs 10% reinstated before any raises are made for shopfloor staff. And as they didn't get their pay cut previously then yes, 4% and 2k in your pocket is indeed a more than fair offer and one I'd happily accept in my job!
What you dont realise is that the shopfloor workers havent had a payrise for what will be 3 yrs this year and theyve been offered 4% over 2 years so that works out at 1% per year which is bloody rubbish. .....and where you get a £2000 bonus from is beyond me....they get taxed on that so its probably £1500 at the most. I wish people on here would get there facts right.
Here are some facts. The 2008-2009 recession was the worst since the 1930s. Employees in manufacturing across the country made sacrifices to save their companies and save their jobs. Most were willing to do so and now that good times are returning aren't bonkers enough to ask for back-dated pay rises!! Most of the country has suffered in one way or another during the recession and global economics doesn't mean people are recompensed for their losses. It's tough but everyone's in the same boat. I'd settle for 4% and £1,500+ instead of losing a chunk of pay every week through striking.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Going on the facts posted, as I don't work there.
Pay rises are not a right, they are not automatic. They are also not backdated, what you have been offered is 2% per year as whatever happened previously is irrelevant. You are also getting a £2000 bonus, that is what the company is giving you. Blame the tax man if you lose some of it (and I suspect it'll be more like £1350 you get TBH!) but it still costs the company £2000 for each of you. What % of your wages does that £2k make up? Going by past posts where 'about a tenner an hour' was mentioned that is actually near 10% of your yearly wage, that is a good bonus! If you consider it across the 2 years that the pay rise occurs you are actually getting 7% more pay each year in total - that is good! In 2 years time you renegotiate, and try to get the extra as wages rather than a bonus, but I'd be happy as chuff with that as it stands!
Pay rises are not a right, they are not automatic. They are also not backdated, what you have been offered is 2% per year as whatever happened previously is irrelevant. You are also getting a £2000 bonus, that is what the company is giving you. Blame the tax man if you lose some of it (and I suspect it'll be more like £1350 you get TBH!) but it still costs the company £2000 for each of you. What % of your wages does that £2k make up? Going by past posts where 'about a tenner an hour' was mentioned that is actually near 10% of your yearly wage, that is a good bonus! If you consider it across the 2 years that the pay rise occurs you are actually getting 7% more pay each year in total - that is good! In 2 years time you renegotiate, and try to get the extra as wages rather than a bonus, but I'd be happy as chuff with that as it stands!
jesus! peeps jumping on the band wagon again when they dont know the facts!
the bonus as you call it is part of our wage renumaration... acording to the company.
the bonus is not gaurenteed, we didnt get it last year.
the staffs 10 % pay cut wasnt a pay cut, it was a working week reduction of 4 hours. they wernt complaining when they were out playing golf or having nice juants on there motorbikes to the seaside while we were stuck in the factory still building engines not knowing if we would have a job from one week to the next.
oh and back to the bonus, we at stafford arent the only ones who get it....... it is a cooparate bonus that everybody at cat gets from top to bottom. us anything up to 10% and top brass anything up to 25% if you think thats affordable???
the bonus as you call it is part of our wage renumaration... acording to the company.
the bonus is not gaurenteed, we didnt get it last year.
the staffs 10 % pay cut wasnt a pay cut, it was a working week reduction of 4 hours. they wernt complaining when they were out playing golf or having nice juants on there motorbikes to the seaside while we were stuck in the factory still building engines not knowing if we would have a job from one week to the next.
oh and back to the bonus, we at stafford arent the only ones who get it....... it is a cooparate bonus that everybody at cat gets from top to bottom. us anything up to 10% and top brass anything up to 25% if you think thats affordable???
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Well as I said earlier, I'm going on what is posted here as that is the facts I have. Feel free to provide updates, as without them what do you expect me to say?
Define wage renumeration please, I thought that was called wages plain and simple? What is the bonus based on, what indicator decides if you are allowed it? As for the office staff off having jollies in the 4 hours they no longer work (or get paid for), you do realise if you were out of a job so would they be? Did they get a choice, or were they forced to take the cut? I'd rather work TBH, I'd prefer not to lose 10% of my wages. I'm sure many of them felt the same, how would you cope if you lost 10% of your pay?
Its obvious that we have both shop floor and office/management on this board at the moment, the posts highlight it easily. I don't think this forum is necessarily the place for a slanging match that should be sorted within the company. However I am interested in what is happening there, as they are the only proper industry left in this town TBH. Would be a shame to see it go. With the amount of council employees about to hit the job centre let alone other public sector workers in line for the chop the last thing we need is that place to go as well.
Out of interest, what are the unions demands? What figure are they aiming at for a pay rise?
Define wage renumeration please, I thought that was called wages plain and simple? What is the bonus based on, what indicator decides if you are allowed it? As for the office staff off having jollies in the 4 hours they no longer work (or get paid for), you do realise if you were out of a job so would they be? Did they get a choice, or were they forced to take the cut? I'd rather work TBH, I'd prefer not to lose 10% of my wages. I'm sure many of them felt the same, how would you cope if you lost 10% of your pay?
Its obvious that we have both shop floor and office/management on this board at the moment, the posts highlight it easily. I don't think this forum is necessarily the place for a slanging match that should be sorted within the company. However I am interested in what is happening there, as they are the only proper industry left in this town TBH. Would be a shame to see it go. With the amount of council employees about to hit the job centre let alone other public sector workers in line for the chop the last thing we need is that place to go as well.
Out of interest, what are the unions demands? What figure are they aiming at for a pay rise?
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Sometimes 'bonus' can be a term to cover what used to be called 'productivity schemes' - I, and some others, will remember taking part in one where, at the end of the first, and only, year, it was revealed that, unfortunately, there was a reason for not paying out anything at all - and the event that triggered this decision had occured before the scheme was announced. Oh, how we laughed at that...