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Who here has voted (ever)?

Discussion in 'Stafford Chat' started by db, Oct 13, 2006.

  1. db

    db #chaplife

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    i've put this in Stafford Chat, as i feel that it will give an (albeit vague) indication of the political erring of the forum, and thus stafford..

    has anyone here actually voted in a general election? or any election, for that matter? this is not a trolling effort; i'm genuinely interested.. if you have voted, who was it for? i'd really appreciate input from those of you who actually have an understanding of politics and british parliament (tommy t, monquey, et al)..

    i have never voted, as a result of the fast-becoming-de-facto british apathy.. if i were to vote, it would most certainly be conservative (oh, while i'm here - happy birthday to baroness thatcher :uk: )..

    i'd love to see anyone's input on this matter, for better or worse :raise:
     
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  3. Fran

    Fran Newbie

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    I did.

    I voted labour
     
  4. TENSHON

    TENSHON 4000th post? Whatever, I'm nonchalant..

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    Not only have I voted, but have campaigned in my yoof for my grandad who was a former tory councillor who went to become mayor of the borough. i shit you not. however, despite the many trips to tory hq in london and lunch with various MPs i switched to labour two elections ago before switching back to conservative at the last, despite rich upsetter trying to lead me astray down the lid dem route. i also declared my religion as 'jedi' when the government did that gay census thing a few years back.
     
  5. db

    db #chaplife

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    welcome to the forum, fran :up:
     
  6. BBC

    BBC You knows it

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    That David Cameron is a complete cu*t . Never have i seen such and insincere, transparent and superficial man as this prick. So no I won't be voting conservative and yes i will always vote. Anyone who doesn't is a fool in my opinion. Especially considering how much this country has changed over the last 5 years.
     
  7. jimbob23

    jimbob23 Official 1000th poster

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    My worry these days is that it's so easy for politicians to lie, or at least stretch the truth, that the man on the street doesn't actually know what a particular party's policies are going to be until they come to power. It seems that you have to be some political fanatic with insider knowledge to actually have a clue what the hell's going on.

    And at the end of the day, it's normally the man on the street who is most likely to have his life adversely affected by the decisions made by Government. When I say "man on the street", I mean the increasingly ignored 'lower classes'. These days, if you earn less than £30k/(insert other unreasonably high arbritary figure here & delete as appropriate), it appears that your opinion, and the quality of your life mean nothing to the people whose wages you are paying. Sounds melodramatic, but as an increasingly disillusioned inhabitant of not just this country but the modern world, it's the way I've been made to feel.

    I have an in-bred hatred of the tories, but to be fair, what does voting Labour or anything else really mean these days? Many of the people who voted Labour into power 9 years ago probably remember a time when the fact that a party had a different name and supposedly different values actually meant something, and assumed that things would change for the better when they helped to empower a party who used to at least try and look after the masses without whom the country would grind to a halt.

    My problem with the stance that you are an idiot if you don't vote is that I honestly believe that the effective difference between voting and not these days is negligible. How can you possibly believe that any one party is going to comprehensively deliver all the values that you stand for? All right, this may never have been totally possible, but at least when there was a more tangible difference between the parties you stood a chance of at least having an inkling of what your vote was for.

    The only reason I would vote these days is to place one more miniscule dent in the Conservative campaign. This may seem ill-informed and a waste of a vote, and that may be an accurate assessment - I don't claim to be particularly politically aware - but I know, or at least think I do, to assess that the Tories' ideals are more at odds with mine than those of any other parties.

    I could go on and on and on about the virtues and otherwise, as I see them, of each party and politician, but what's the point?

    The long and short of it is that I don't really know who to vote for, and it seems that every time you look up you see yet another twat with an insincere smile, which doesn't make it any easier. I work for a Government Department, and can safely say that most people would be shocked if they knew how their taxes were spent, but I don't honestly believe it would make much difference if another party came to power, because the things that actually matter seem to be the last on the agenda these days.

    Back to the point of the thread, I have voted, but didn't in the last General Election. I wasn't actually registered at my address at the time so couldn't vote, but the worrying thing was that I wasn't actually that bothered.
     
  8. BBC

    BBC You knows it

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    You could always vote for this tit....

    [​IMG]
     
  9. db

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    this is exactly how i feel, and is basically why i have never voted.. i don't feel safe applying my vote when i don't understand the most basic of facts regarding policies/intentions/etc.. now, the obvious answer would be "get off your arse and find out," but as jimbob has very verbosely pointed out it's not actually that easy to get straight answers these days..

    i also feel the tories have a major image problem - they seem to be completely inept at choosing figureheads and leaders! as previously mentioned, i err more on the right side of the fence, but i agree completely with the sentiments about the conservative leaders..
     
  10. db

    db #chaplife

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    lol two words: massive tit..

    or "closet racist," choose whichever you fancy :v:
     
  11. BBC

    BBC You knows it

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    Don't hesit8, vote Altern8!

    Anyone remember this? They stood for parliament in Stafford for the 92 election with the 'Hardcore you know the score' party.

    Safe
     
  12. rich upsetter

    rich upsetter Cuffy is the new skill

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    therein lies the problem. it takes time and effort to get past the bullshit, shine and spin that makes fools vote for the leader they 'like' the most without understanding any policies. hence the swingometer swinging towards conservatives once again, coupled with the fact that no one likes blair anymore.
    i still think there is no excuse for not voting however, as there will always be a party that have policies that go against your own principles but you have to strike a balance. there will NEVER be a party that our generation would 100% happily vote for, but once you delve into the policies of the parties, although on the face of it they look the same they arent. in identifying whats important to you do you find which party is closest to your own thinking...eg having my own business i know i am going to be far better off continuing to vote labour than conservative, so i will vote labour again.

    plus i dont believe conservatives have actually changed at all, all the old policies are there and they are trying to appeal to the 'man on the street' while having an all old etonian shadow cabinet at present.
     
  13. BBC

    BBC You knows it

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    Talking of stupid leaders.....

    [​IMG]
     
  14. jimbob23

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    Yeah, I remember seeing their campaign posters on lamposts from the school bus.

    While we're on a political tip, I read in the Indy yesterday that the Government are planning to introduce a new law which will make it easier for women who have had a regrettable drunken sexual encounter to pass it off as rape, thereby ruining the life of the poor bloke who was also drunk at the time and thought he'd got lucky.

    Basically the proposition is that once a woman's had more than a couple of units she will be deemed not to be a consenting adult any more, and thence the onus will be on the man to decided whether "yes" actually means yes.

    So, if a woman gets pissed then wakes up next to some idiot she wishes she hadn't shagged, all she'll have to say is, "I didn't really want to have sex with you; I just said I did because I was drunk," and it will be the bloke's fault for raping her.

    The world has gone well and trully mental.
     
  15. jimbob23

    jimbob23 Official 1000th poster

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    Which partly emphasises my point. These days, because each party's policies are so varied and diverse, you could be voting for one party for just such a reason, only for every other policy to be absolutely awful. All the while a party who, to use your example, discriminate against the entrepeneur could, on balance, have much better policies in general and better serve society at large.

    If you're happy that you have the right balance, and are willing to potentially sacrifice certain other policies then that's fine, but you can't blame others for feeling that they don't want to vote for such a reason.
     
  16. Sofa

    Sofa I'm a Staffooooooordian

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    I don't think that anyone ever thought anyone believed Kilroy was in the closet about his feelings towards immigrants.

    Has anyone else visited http://www.webcameron.org.uk/ - "Dave" Cameron's attempt at showing how down with the kidz he is. He looks so silly - one minute he's got a bottle of Ecover washing up liquid in his hand, the next minute he's just putting plates in the dishwasher - what a twottle.

    It is a shocking fact that voter apathy is at such an all-time high in this country, but that is also understandable considering the way the main political parties have developed in the last twenty years. Dave Cameron can weblog all he wants but everyone thinks his party is still a bunch of cnuts and Labour have betrayed most of their original support base - what a sorry state. There is a lot of talk about the outcome of the next general election being a hung parliament which would be a very healthy thing because then the Lib Dems would be kingmaker again and, to be frank, they seem like the only party which hasn't disappeared up their own pie holes to me, even though Ming Campbell is past it and fairly unelectable.

    I have to say that I subscribe to the Aussie model, whereby you get slung in the nick if you don't vote. People these days have such a good standard of living that they forget how crap things were not so long ago. Many people were banged up or even died in the struggle for the vote. We can not forget the value of our cross on the ballot paper - ask anyone who does not live in a democracy. Dictatorships, where there is often no respect for human rights whatsoever, continue to be supported by fockers like Blair and Bush, and the only thing we can do about it is vote. (...goes on for several hours preaching the virtues of using your democratic right.......)

    So get out and vote whenever you can, because otherwise you don't have the right to complain when anything the politicians decide affects you in a way that doesn't suit, so "NO VOTE - NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN"
     
  17. Sofa

    Sofa I'm a Staffooooooordian

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    Hey Rich Upsetter - didn't you say you fancied running as a councillor? I'd vote for the "Stafford Forum Party".

    I remember Altern8's policy would have been to get policemen to wear smiley badges and have loudspeakers in the street playing house. Does anyone remember the issue of the NME at the height of Altern8 and Bizzare Inc's popularity in which Stafford was declared "Techno City UK"? There was a double page spread with a big photo of loads of ravers - in Railway Street! Castletown was always cool...
     
  18. BBC

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    Yeah I saw that and it ist complete bollox to be honest. Why should the onus be put on the man? Women can make up their own minds.

    I think our Labour MP David Kidney does a good job for the borough and is genuinely concerned and passionate when it comes to looking after his constituents. He even somehow managed to hold off phoney Cameron in the 97' election when he was running for Staffords tory mp. Could you imagine if that twat had been reprazenting the ford? Unsafe.
     
  19. rich upsetter

    rich upsetter Cuffy is the new skill

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    i aint sayin that one policy makes me vote labour - far from it, im using it as one example of my reasoning. im basically saying that not understanding or feeling confused as to which party to vote for is just lazy. people need to find out for themselves...it is confusing but not an excuse.
     
  20. rich upsetter

    rich upsetter Cuffy is the new skill

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    yeah man watch this space, im gonna infiltrate the upper echelons of stafford society :ninja:
    and make some changes!
     
  21. BBC

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    No I don't remember this but would love to see it! Maximus Respectus :)
     

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