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Who here has voted (ever)?

Discussion in 'Stafford Chat' started by db, Oct 13, 2006.

  1. jimbob23

    jimbob23 Official 1000th poster

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    While I agree to your argument on the whole, I'd say that even when you do vote you end up complaining anyway, as I have done frequently since helping Mr Blair obtain his current status, because most people's votes are based on the bullshit they're fed by each party during the pre-election campaigns, so everyone has a right to complain in my opinion.

    And throwing people in jail for not voting sounds every bit as dictatorial as the things you seem to be speaking out against. Sounds like something only a Tory could dream up.
     
  2. BBC

    BBC You knows it

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    Go Rich, Do it for the kidz!! I'll vote for you for sure :)
     
  3. Sofa

    Sofa I'm a Staffooooooordian

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    Just throw them in for a couple of hours and show them videos explaining why the vote is so important. Then give them a balloon.
     
  4. BBC

    BBC You knows it

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  5. BBC

    BBC You knows it

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    I'd vote for anyone that handed out free balloons :)
     
  6. jimbob23

    jimbob23 Official 1000th poster

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    I realise that, as I was using it as an example to state my case.

    And it's every bit as much of a valid excuse as the multiple other excuses I could come up with.

    I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Firstly I'm not sure any one of us is qualified to make that judgement, and secondly I can't make my mind up anyway, but it's there regardless.
     
  7. jimbob23

    jimbob23 Official 1000th poster

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    Anyway, one last point, as I can't be bothered to argue till I'm blue in the face to have it make absolutely no difference to:

    a) people's opinions
    b) the world

    One of my major concerns with politicians is that their policies are only a means to an end, the end being that they remain in gainful employment for another 4 or 5 years.

    I will probably vote next time round, but I will do so with a now ingrained sense of caution and dread. I wish we lived in a world where a candidate could just invite Bono round for tea and it'd mean he'd instantly become Prime Minister and go on to deliver every wonderfully utopian election promise, but until that happens I suppose I'll just have to wade through the sea of party political bullshit like every other poor sod.
     
  8. Sofa

    Sofa I'm a Staffooooooordian

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    I won't sleep easy until I see Rich Upsetter installed in Number 10 Downing Street. Then we'd be able to get good t-shirts on the NHS.
     
  9. db

    db #chaplife

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    after witnessing his behaviour on saturday night, i support this notion.. he would be a paragon of virtue and an excellent influence on british society :uk: :v:
     
  10. db

    db #chaplife

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    let me know if you actually manage to get to the bottom of it and i'll just vote the same as you next time round :up: so far i've agreed whole heartedly with everything you've had to say, and frankly i doubt i'm ever going to vote if our political structure remains the same..
     
  11. rich upsetter

    rich upsetter Cuffy is the new skill

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    cheers chaps. ;)
     
  12. TENSHON

    TENSHON 4000th post? Whatever, I'm nonchalant..

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    i'd agree kidney has been a good MP but have major issues with the blair/brown combo.
     
  13. Tommy T

    Tommy T A few posts under my belt

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    Now you're getting down to it. Voting once every four years is never going to help you get the country you want - there is no system for ensuring parties are held to account for manifesto promises. I voted Kidney, despite major misgivings about Labour. Kidney was our only real candidate, the other are numpties - as witnessed at the Stafford Make Poverty History question time.
    Not that you shouldn't vote, just that you shouldn't stop at voting. If you want to be counted as a citizen then regular contact with your MP is the way forward. His job is to represent your views - even when they are not those of his party. Many of us harrassed the man on the whole iraq issue. He upheld our views and voted against war, even though he knew it would cost him his job. Trooper.
    Blair has actually lost commons votes - something that is almost unheard of in this and the last century - proving that your MP can make a difference.
    I regulalry write / speak to him about what i think should be done and i truly believe he takes it on board (along with everyone else's views). He'll reply to every email, which means you can debate with him and stand a good chance of convincing him if your arguement is well thought out and not just a rant. He holds drop in surgeries on a Saturday once a month, so if you want to ask / tell him anything you can do it face to face. He's got a new better job now - i think it is under-secretary to David Milliband, the environment dude. Which is nice. We're lucky to have a representative with at least a smattering of power.
    The point is that democarcy in this country kind of works, but only if you use it. Don't have a no vote = no complaints attitude. If you disagree with something, let parliament know.
    Ranty-rant-rant.
     
  14. rich upsetter

    rich upsetter Cuffy is the new skill

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    top comment tommy, i like your pro active stance.
     
  15. jimbob23

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    Milliband's my boss. Not directly, obviously. He's one crazy cat.
     
  16. db

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    despite the fact i'm a daily star reader, and thus borderline nazi, every time you wax lyrical about politics i'm entranced and become thoroughly convinced.. seriously.. you should become an MP yourself, innit; you could sell ice to an eskimo i reckons (sorry - "inuit" for you PC goons :v: )

    oh, and sorry for saying your mum reminds me of margaret thatcher on saturday night lol..
     
  17. victoriab

    victoriab victoriaboyle.co.uk

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    Hear hear. And that comment about the rape laws...I am ashamed of my sex.
     
  18. MISS T

    MISS T Forum user & abuser

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    This law will not change a great deal, the 'chinawhite' girl has been doing it for years. You read that story every week in the News of the world, usually linked to a footballer or Dean Gaffney.Why they'd admit to that . . .
    So don't be ashamed you're not the same breed.
     
  19. Sofa

    Sofa I'm a Staffooooooordian

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    Tommy T - I commend your position, however, I still feel that "no vote = no right to complain" has some grounding, as it is one thing to actively express your opinion, but if you can't be arsed to express your opinon at the ballot box why should you bother complaining. It is one thing to complain about or to the government, but another to make your small contribution to changing who governs.
     
  20. jimbob23

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    But now they'll be more likely to have their cries of "wolf" not only heard but also upheld. If it goes through that is.
     

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