Proposal for new houses in Walton on the Hill.

Just little old me:) said:

Safe to say I have children because myself and my wife wanted children. It would be a sad day if you were right that people were only having children because society expected it. There is no fault in either wanting or not wanting children but I would hope that those that have children have made that choice for the right reasons.

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I think it happened, and still is, though. Not just societal pressure which is absolutely still there. Lack of birth control availability, marital rape being legal, etc. etc.

Just little old me:) said:

Current cost to raise a child ......

According to the CPAG, the cost of raising a child (excluding housing, childcare and council tax) from birth to 18 is now: £160,692 for a couple family. £193,801 for a single parent/guardian.

Would £500 convince me to have more children

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It was just a small perk. Personally I think there shouldn't be any benefits to being married, having children etc. It penalises the single and the infertile.

gilesjuk said:

It was just a small perk. Personally I think there shouldn't be any benefits to being married, having children etc. It penalises the single and the infertile.

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I understand where your coming from but I tend to see it as help not perks. As for single/infertile the first generally tends to be temporary unless a life choice to stay single is made which I would assume the individual did this upon their own assessment of their wants in life. The second is something that an individual can't choose as such so would need to make life choices based on their own situation. There are many people in the world dealing with bad situations they have no control over and the happier ones tend to look at what they can do rather than what they can't. It's about looking for the silver lining and not the cloud.

Noah said:

Plans include 9 bungalows, unusual nowadays. Of course it's mainly senile delinquents & trouble making disabled people who go for bungalows

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A quick Google found an 87-year-old with an ASBO and several mobility scooter hooligans, also.

Gramaisc said:

A quick Google found an 87-year-old with an ASBO and several mobility scooter hooligans, also.

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That'll be me and the wife when we finally land our bungalow by the sea although having watched a great episode of top gear where they were out in tuktuk's I've said we're having tuktuk's instead of mobility scooters racing stripes and NOS upgrades a must

Just little old me:) said:

That'll be me and the wife when we finally land our bungalow by the sea although having watched a great episode of top gear where they were out in tuktuk's I've said we're having tuktuk's instead of mobility scooters racing stripes and NOS upgrades a must

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Great things Tuk Tuks.

proactive said:

Great things Tuk Tuks.

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Way more fun than scooters

The scale and location of this proposal isn’t good. As someone else has already said, Old Croft Road is narrow to the point of almost being single track in places with no footpaths.

The field highlighted in the plans would have to be accessed from the lane itself adding quite a bit of traffic and based on the scale of development and the proposed field to be used, this would be a compact, heavily developed space not compatible with the surrounding housing.

Before anyone gets bent out of shape, I say this despite living miles from here. It’s just not a good development. Fewer houses maybe, but then of course it suddenly becomes a less attractive investment

I haven't been along OCR for a few years, but the narrow bit didn't seem to have any existing buildings stopping it from being widened to a 'proper road' on the southeastern side.

DoggedWalker said:

The scale and location of this proposal isn’t good. As someone else has already said, Old Croft Road is narrow to the point of almost being single track in places with no footpaths.

The field highlighted in the plans would have to be accessed from the lane itself adding quite a bit of traffic and based on the scale of development and the proposed field to be used, this would be a compact, heavily developed space not compatible with the surrounding housing.

Before anyone gets bent out of shape, I say this despite living miles from here. It’s just not a good development. Fewer houses maybe, but then of course it suddenly becomes a less attractive investment

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I've walked down there with dogs a few times. The lane is like a racetrack to some people. There are some bungalows in Beechfield drive which is probably why they think that area will suit them.

I should add that there's very often lots of cars parked down that lane by parents taking kids to play football on the school field. While they could park down Victoria Way I can't see those residents being impressed.

One thing I always enjoyed when doing late night dog walks was going down that area and being able to see the stars well. Won't be much of that if they build those houses.

Not that planned development off Oldcroft Road , but across the other side of the Cannock Road on land next to Hazelstrine lane / Wildwood/ Acton Hill road where the proposed development on the fields which come under South Staffs Council were fought against.

As expected seems that one hasn't been laid to rest yet!

I've just received an email from south staffs council about the local plan review ' we are now beginning the final stage of public consultation before the plan is submitted to the Secretary of State.'
'All comments made will be submitted with the Plan to the Secretary of State who will appoint an independent Planning Inspector to hold a Public Examination into the Local Plan review. Dates for the Examination will be set by the Planning Inspectorate (PINS). The Inspector will decide whether or not the plan can be adopted or if any changes need to be made. If you make comments to this consultation, you will be notified of the Examination timetable.'

Gives links for info of what they're up to , but links not working for me. Seems consultations being held on Teams as well as a public consultation session.

staffordjas said:

Not that planned development off Oldcroft Road , but across the other side of the Cannock Road on land next to Hazelstrine lane / Wildwood/ Acton Hill road where the proposed development on the fields which come under South Staffs Council were fought against.

As expected seems that one hasn't been laid to rest yet!

I've just received an email from south staffs council about the local plan review ' we are now beginning the final stage of public consultation before the plan is submitted to the Secretary of State.'
'All comments made will be submitted with the Plan to the Secretary of State who will appoint an independent Planning Inspector to hold a Public Examination into the Local Plan review. Dates for the Examination will be set by the Planning Inspectorate (PINS). The Inspector will decide whether or not the plan can be adopted or if any changes need to be made. If you make comments to this consultation, you will be notified of the Examination timetable.'

Gives links for info of what they're up to , but links not working for me. Seems consultations being held on Teams as well as a public consultation session.

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Given how they marketed it last time with a leaflet which was deceptive and how this end of Stafford is congested enough (try turning right onto the A34, can be there for a while) I'll object like last time.

How was the leaflet deceptive? It was selling the idea of a nice park for locals to use, cycle lane around the edge, calling it something like Acton Hill park with all the houses on the plan covered in a translucent green overlay so they were less visible.

Also, the leaflet had a slip to fill in saying "I support the plans..." etc but obviously no way to object.

gilesjuk said:

Given how they marketed it last time with a leaflet which was deceptive and how this end of Stafford is congested enough (try turning right onto the A34, can be there for a while) I'll object like last time.

How was the leaflet deceptive? It was selling the idea of a nice park for locals to use, cycle lane around the edge, calling it something like Acton Hill park with all the houses on the plan covered in a translucent green overlay so they were less visible.

Also, the leaflet had a slip to fill in saying "I support the plans..." etc but obviously no way to object.

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We had a visit from our local councillors going door to door trying to make people aware of what was actually going to be built there after the leaflet was pushed through.

Leaflet was very deceptive , I didn't fall for it but can see how lots could have glanced over it , saw the mention and illustrations of parks , ponds, pathways, ' encouraging wildlife' ( after they've bulldozed the woods and fields already teeming with it...) and signed the bloody ' Yes we agree' slip.

We signed the petition in Bridle Road post office , as well as emailing South staffs Council.
Our councillors said nothing Stafford Council could actually do , as that area within South staffs boundaries , but they looked into the procedures to object and made it known who to contact ( which even they said was hard to find )

I took some photos and videos around that part with the Acton Hill Farm on near where we lived , before we moved a few months ago. Hoping I'm not ever posting them in the 'Stafford Past' thread.

staffordjas said:

Leaflet was very deceptive , I didn't fall for it but can see how lots could have glanced over it , saw the mention and illustrations of parks , ponds, pathways, ' encouraging wildlife' ( after they've bulldozed the woods and fields already teeming with it...) and signed the bloody ' Yes we agree' slip.

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And as was mentioned at the time, the developers don't actually build any of those facilities, they pay the council some money and it's up to them to build them and they're more likely to use it for other things. When I saw the original plans for the old Police HQ site it looked like there was going to be a lot more green spaces, not the cramped monstrosity it is now where all the green spaces are fenced off presumably to stop kids kicking footballs onto main roads.

Hopefully people can post more information on this thread when it is available.

Copy of email about proposed Acton Hill development...

Good Afternoon



SOUTH STAFFORDSHIRE LOCAL PLAN REVIEW

REGULATION 19 PUBLICATION PLAN CONSULTATION



We are writing to you because you have made comments previously or asked to be kept updated about the Local Plan, and we are now beginning the final stage of public consultation before the plan is submitted to the Secretary of State.



The Publication Plan contains the final sites for housing and employment, pitches for Gypsies and Travellers, and new and updated policies which will be used to decide planning applications when it is adopted. Sites have been chosen taking on board responses to consultations over the past 4 years and drawing on a great deal of information and evidence from planning specialists, stakeholders, statutory bodies, agents, residents, and community groups.



Some sites have changed since the Preferred Options and these changes are as a result of new evidence and taking on board the comments we received from residents, statutory authorities and other organisations. This means we have chosen the sites based on robust planning evidence and to meet current national planning policy and our legal Duty to Cooperate with neighbouring authorities.



This stage of consultation is different to previous stages because it is about the legal soundness of the plan. Has the council prepared the plan positively? Is it justified and effective? Does it comply with national planning policy? Any comments you make should relate to these issues and they will be sent to the independent Planning Inspector who will be appointed to conduct a formal Examination into the plan, which will include public hearing sessions.



Our consultation runs for 6 weeks from Friday 11 November until 12 noon Friday 23 December 2022. To help you we have produced a FAQ Sheet and a Guidance Note to help explain the process for this consultation.



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All comments made will be submitted with the Plan to the Secretary of State who will appoint an independent Planning Inspector to hold a Public Examination into the Local Plan review. Dates for the Examination will be set by the Planning Inspectorate (PINS). The Inspector will decide whether or not the plan can be adopted or if any changes need to be made. If you make comments to this consultation, you will be notified of the Examination timetable.

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Lucy said:

Wow, only people who have affordable housing have tearaway children hey?

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Yet to read the rest of this thread but gotta say when I was a bad un myself the biggest drug users were alway from the hill, the parents used to throw money at the kids so they didn't have to deal with them.

Lucy said:

Social mobility for me is breaking the cycles. In this case the charity focuses on getting kids to higher education, being the first person in their family to have it.

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I wasn't the first in my family to go to uni, but I was the first to get out the other side!

kyoto49 said:

Affordable means “.. less decent family".... Wow just farkin' wow. So people who work but are doing lower wage jobs are less decent? People who can't afford to get on the current housing ladder are less decent. I can't actually believe you wrote that let alone that you think it. The least decent people in my experience are the rich and the Tories, not the poor working classes who need some help to gain a home. I'm still sat shaking my head that you admitted to thinking that. FML

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Many think the only thing that makes a person decent is the amount of money they have, when even a vague look around you shows that many with money have it because they really aren't a decent person. Of course the only people who think this are those that have money and want to think that makes them a decent person.

Money = decency means nurses/teachers etc. can't be good people?

Nurses and teachers are professionals who have a degree, their pay is around the national average.

gilesjuk said:

Nurses and teachers are professionals who have a degree, their pay is around the national average.

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Not everyone is a nurse or teacher.