Stafford Traffic.

Sk84goal

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Wow there seems to be a little bit of confusion about what a 15min neighbourhood is.

Let’s take a look at the nearest thing we have to one in Stafford. Baswich. Residents of Baswich can walk, in 15 mins, to schools, doctors / health centre, library, community centre, play area, supermarket, Bar, Café, and several take away food options. They have a cycle network connecting them directly into the town centre. At no point have the residents been told they cannot travel to Aldi or to the markets in town neither have these facilities ever been blamed for the decline in the town centre. Now let’s say you are a council that is developing a brand new housing development on green fields. Wouldn’t it be sensible to look at all the good things Baswich has and build them into the design? Perhaps improving them by centralizing all the facilities into the middle of the development, perhaps ensuring there is no road running between them so it doesn’t have to be closed for events. Make sure that there are paths from all parts of the development leading to these facilities and that these paths / cycleways are connected into a wider system leading into town. If you want to be really radical make sure all cars access is by the rear of the houses leaving the front for children and neighbours to meet, have parties and, if they wish, setup community gardens. That is what a 15min neighbourhood is. It is about adding choice, adding freedom and building communities.
 

kyoto49

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Wow there seems to be a little bit of confusion about what a 15min neighbourhood is.

Let’s take a look at the nearest thing we have to one in Stafford. Baswich. Residents of Baswich can walk, in 15 mins, to schools, doctors / health centre, library, community centre, play area, supermarket, Bar, Café, and several take away food options. They have a cycle network connecting them directly into the town centre. At no point have the residents been told they cannot travel to Aldi or to the markets in town neither have these facilities ever been blamed for the decline in the town centre. Now let’s say you are a council that is developing a brand new housing development on green fields. Wouldn’t it be sensible to look at all the good things Baswich has and build them into the design? Perhaps improving them by centralizing all the facilities into the middle of the development, perhaps ensuring there is no road running between them so it doesn’t have to be closed for events. Make sure that there are paths from all parts of the development leading to these facilities and that these paths / cycleways are connected into a wider system leading into town. If you want to be really radical make sure all cars access is by the rear of the houses leaving the front for children and neighbours to meet, have parties and, if they wish, setup community gardens. That is what a 15min neighbourhood is. It is about adding choice, adding freedom and building communities.
Some sanity. Thank you
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
Wow there seems to be a little bit of confusion about what a 15min neighbourhood is.

Let’s take a look at the nearest thing we have to one in Stafford. Baswich. Residents of Baswich can walk, in 15 mins, to schools, doctors / health centre, library, community centre, play area, supermarket, Bar, Café, and several take away food options. They have a cycle network connecting them directly into the town centre. At no point have the residents been told they cannot travel to Aldi or to the markets in town neither have these facilities ever been blamed for the decline in the town centre. Now let’s say you are a council that is developing a brand new housing development on green fields. Wouldn’t it be sensible to look at all the good things Baswich has and build them into the design? Perhaps improving them by centralizing all the facilities into the middle of the development, perhaps ensuring there is no road running between them so it doesn’t have to be closed for events. Make sure that there are paths from all parts of the development leading to these facilities and that these paths / cycleways are connected into a wider system leading into town. If you want to be really radical make sure all cars access is by the rear of the houses leaving the front for children and neighbours to meet, have parties and, if they wish, setup community gardens. That is what a 15min neighbourhood is. It is about adding choice, adding freedom and building communities.
Are you from the Netherlands?.....
 

Len's Lens

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Half of the traffic lights not working on Gaolgate roundabout tonight.

Half of the traffic lights out on Gaol Square roundabout, prison side.
Yes, I mentioned it yesterday. I'm surprised they haven't been fixed yet. It'll either increase the danger & risk...or, it'll allow the traffic to flow freely. To be honest, I don't think traffic lights are required on Gaol Square roundabout anymore. Now they've opened the mini bypass round the back of Lidl & Stafford Tenpin & Quasar, most of the traffic goes that way now. There are lengthy periods where no cars are coming around the roundabout from Forgate 😂 Street where the lights are on green but cars are held back on red approaching from Aldi direction and from the prison. Likewise with pedestrians having to wait for no cars to pass by. Gaolgate roundabout isn't as popular as it once was.
 
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gilbert grape

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Wow there seems to be a little bit of confusion about what a 15min neighbourhood is.

Let’s take a look at the nearest thing we have to one in Stafford. Baswich. Residents of Baswich can walk, in 15 mins, to schools, doctors / health centre, library, community centre, play area, supermarket, Bar, Café, and several take away food options. They have a cycle network connecting them directly into the town centre. At no point have the residents been told they cannot travel to Aldi or to the markets in town neither have these facilities ever been blamed for the decline in the town centre. Now let’s say you are a council that is developing a brand new housing development on green fields. Wouldn’t it be sensible to look at all the good things Baswich has and build them into the design? Perhaps improving them by centralizing all the facilities into the middle of the development, perhaps ensuring there is no road running between them so it doesn’t have to be closed for events. Make sure that there are paths from all parts of the development leading to these facilities and that these paths / cycleways are connected into a wider system leading into town. If you want to be really radical make sure all cars access is by the rear of the houses leaving the front for children and neighbours to meet, have parties and, if they wish, setup community gardens. That is what a 15min neighbourhood is. It is about adding choice, adding freedom and building communities.
I'd guess you haven't seen all the actual videos of people experiencing these neighbourhoods and turning out the opposite of what we are "being sold" as a solution? I've watched the interviews of frustrated small businesses who had time and money wasted with access issues, followed by interviews of law makers telling us everything is fine. Again, more people in ivory towers dictating theory and ignoring the reality of practice.
Yet more control and reduction of rights, while selling it as some miraculous green solution.
 

kyoto49

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Likewise with pedestrians having to wait for no cars to pass by. Gaolgate roundabout isn't as popular as it once was.
This is one of my major annoyances as a pedestrian, the fact that none of the lights prioritise pedestrians. Once pressed they wait for a gap in the traffic before changing to red. If there was a gap I wouldn't need to press the button idiot planners. If no gap arises the lights change only have an inordinate amount of time which in poor weather is deeply unpleasant. All the lights need changing to prioritise pedestrians at the expense of the motorist. Small things like not having to wait an age in the pouring rain make a real difference.
 

kyoto49

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I'd guess you haven't seen all the actual videos of people experiencing these neighbourhoods and turning out the opposite of what we are "being sold" as a solution? I've watched the interviews of frustrated small businesses who had time and money wasted with access issues, followed by interviews of law makers telling us everything is fine. Again, more people in ivory towers dictating theory and ignoring the reality of practice.
Yet more control and reduction of rights, while selling it as some miraculous green solution.
Tell me you are a Tory without saying I'm a Tory! Yet I don't think you are so I'm confused!
 

Sk84goal

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I'd guess you haven't seen all the actual videos of people experiencing these neighbourhoods and turning out the opposite of what we are "being sold" as a solution? I've watched the interviews of frustrated small businesses who had time and money wasted with access issues, followed by interviews of law makers telling us everything is fine. Again, more people in ivory towers dictating theory and ignoring the reality of practice.
Yet more control and reduction of rights, while selling it as some miraculous green solution.
Hi Gilbert,

I think we are at cross purposes. I am talking about 15min neighbourhoods whereas you, I believe, are talking about LTN’s (Low traffic Neighbourhoods) a completely different solution to a completely different problem. Please re-read my comment, I make no mention of closing any existing road infrastructure. Now if you want to talk about 15 min neighbourhoods or talk about LTN’s I’m happy to do so, but let’s make sure we are talking about the same thing.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Local shops for local people…

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Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
The only problem with local shops for local people is that it’s always the Co-op and we all know just how expensive they are.

The big supermarkets need to get in instead of the Co-op.
 

gilbert grape

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Hi Gilbert,

I think we are at cross purposes. I am talking about 15min neighbourhoods whereas you, I believe, are talking about LTN’s (Low traffic Neighbourhoods) a completely different solution to a completely different problem. Please re-read my comment, I make no mention of closing any existing road infrastructure. Now if you want to talk about 15 min neighbourhoods or talk about LTN’s I’m happy to do so, but let’s make sure we are talking about the same thing.
Great approach. Many could learn a lot from that! :clap:
I'll increase my research on the differences before I respond further as I think many don't know the difference.
 

Sk84goal

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Great approach. Many could learn a lot from that! :clap:
I'll increase my research on the differences before I respond further as I think many don't know the difference.

Yes I can understand your confusion. The 15 min city/ neighbourhood is a term being misused by both its proponents and opponents. Basic rule of thumb, if a council come up with a plan to says it is implementing one and that plan does not, as its central theme, cover how the services are going to be provided and just cover how the roads are being changed then they are lying, they know they are lying and they should be ashamed. If some far right American populist states that 15min cities are about trapping people in ghettos and removing freedom of movement they are lying, they know they are lying and they also should be ashamed. The current polarisation of debate is a very sad state of affairs.
 

DoggedWalker

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I'm personally a big fan of LTNs and 15 minute neighbourhood 👍
Tell me you don’t have a commute without telling me you don’t have a commute.

OR

Tell me you’ve never driven through areas that have them without telling me you’ve never driven through areas that have them.
 

DoggedWalker

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This is one of my major annoyances as a pedestrian, the fact that none of the lights prioritise pedestrians. Once pressed they wait for a gap in the traffic before changing to red. If there was a gap I wouldn't need to press the button idiot planners. If no gap arises the lights change only have an inordinate amount of time which in poor weather is deeply unpleasant. All the lights need changing to prioritise pedestrians at the expense of the motorist. Small things like not having to wait an age in the pouring rain make a real difference.

Sorry to give you some bad news but many sets of traffic lights/pedestrian crossings don’t do that at all. Those ‘sensors’ that exist are often empty boxes to give the perception of being smart when they’re not smart at all and just change after a period of time.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Sorry to give you some bad news but many sets of traffic lights/pedestrian crossings don’t do that at all. Those ‘sensors’ that exist are often empty boxes to give the perception of being smart when they’re not smart at all and just change after a period of time.
All the Gaol Square ones do is to turn on a light to illuminate the 'WAIT' sign, which you could have guessed anyway.

They do, however, have these rotary buttons, which sensory impaired people can use to detect 'green man' period, if they can't hear the beeping or see the illuminated sign.

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littleme

250,000th poster!
All the Gaol Square ones do is to turn on a light to illuminate the 'WAIT' sign, which you could have guessed anyway.

They do, however, have these rotary buttons, which sensory impaired people can use to detect 'green man' period, if they can't hear the beeping or see the illuminated sign.

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Gaol rd roundabout lights have been out for a few days, tempory lights appeared today.
 

Steve_b

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Road Closure Weeping Cross 20-24 Feb
IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE CLOSURE WILL BE IN PLACE BETWEEN 07:00HOURS ON 20 February AND 16:00HOURS ON 24 February 2023.

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