Bring Back Capital Punishment!

[KencoPlenco]

Utah does it by firing squad.

They do? didn't know that. well at least their prison isn't filling up and the prisoners are not having to live off tax payers money

they should do this in the UK get the local army and just shot the people, that will help the British economy get out of huge debt

 

[Gramaisc]

I'm with tek, as long as it's 100% certain then we should hang them, unless they confess in which case they can have the 'easier' injection.

There's another problem there. I vaguely know somebody who was charged with a child molestation offence many years into the past. His solicitor told him that if he pleaded guilty, then he would get about 18 months, "But I didn't do it, and I want to plead Not Guilty", he said - "Well, you'll get five years then" was the advice. The lawyer said that he had never known anybody be charged with that sort of offence and be found not guilty by a jury..

They do?

Well, they did, but there's still three inmates on death row in Utah that have the option to chose the firing squad, if their sentence is actually carried out. All the others will be done by lethal injection, if they get that far.

 

[KencoPlenco]

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There's another problem there. I vaguely know somebody who was charged with a child molestation offence many years into the past. His solicitor told him that if he pleaded guilty, then he would get about 18 months, "But I didn't do it, and I want to plead Not Guilty", he said - "Well, you'll get five years then" was the advice. The lawyer said that he had never known anybody be charged with that sort of offence and be found not guilty by a jury..


Well, they did, but there's still three inmates on death row in Utah that have the option to chose the firing squad, if their sentence is actually carried out. All the others will be done by lethal injection, if they get that far.

You are like a really life Wikipedia

 

[shoes]

There's another problem there. I vaguely know somebody who was charged with a child molestation offence many years into the past. His solicitor told him that if he pleaded guilty, then he would get about 18 months, "But I didn't do it, and I want to plead Not Guilty", he said - "Well, you'll get five years then" was the advice. The lawyer said that he had never known anybody be charged with that sort of offence and be found not guilty by a jury..


Well, they did, but there's still three inmates on death row in Utah that have the option to chose the firing squad, if their sentence is actually carried out. All the others will be done by lethal injection, if they get that far.

There is no problem, it wouldn't apply here , there is no 100% certainty.

My argument is if it's 100% certain... not 100% certain by Jury. If there was video footage of you committing the crime, for example, where you could be clearly identified, then we can start thinking about a low cost option. I appreciate this will apply to a tiny percentage of the overall number of crimes, but at £50k+ a year per prisoner, every little helps.

Trial by jury has the scope for error, which means a death sentence could not be used.

In the instances of child pornography where the abuser is clearly identifiable, for example, I see no reason not to use such punishment.

 

[Gramaisc]

There is no problem, it wouldn't apply here , there is no 100% certainty.

My argument is if it's 100% certain... not 100% certain by Jury. If there was video footage of you committing the crime, for example, where you could be clearly identified, then we can start thinking about a low cost option. I appreciate this will apply to a tiny percentage of the overall number of crimes, but at £50k+ a year per prisoner, every little helps.

Trial by jury has the scope for error, which means a death sentence could not be used.

In the instances of child pornography where the abuser is clearly identifiable, for example, I see no reason not to use such punishment.

I know what you mean, but the legal system has a tendency to use the word 'proven' when they really mean 'guessed' - and then actually believe it..

 

[PeterD]

I dont have massively strong views, depending on the day and how my commute is going I am either all for it or massively against it. I am flaky like that. most of the time I am against it due to the margin of error and justice being a flawed beast.

 

[AA Silencers]

I'm all for a '3 strikes and your out' system. It would need to be applied to less severe crimes such as robbery or even rape (not suggesting rape isn't a severe crime). The chances of miss convicting someone of the same crime 3 times would be small to say the least so there's not much chance of frying someone by mistake. It would work on the basis that everyone deserves a chance to reform. If prisons weren't overrun housing people who will never change they could do what they're supposed to do and help people become a positive part of society. If they made the choice not to become part of society after two sessions in prison with real genuine chances of reform with thorough and real support and then they should be aware of the consequences.

I'm not for playing god and killing people, I'm just dead set against allowing people who choose to attack our society to keep going at our expense and without consequence.

 

[basil]

I know what you mean, but the legal system has a tendency to use the word 'proven' when they really mean 'guessed' - and then actually believe it..

Mmm 'proven to be true' and 'true' are two very different scenarios........

 

[70-plus]

Do we really have to debate this question. I spent years at school and college having to debate this issue. Just keep things as they are and remain a civilised society

 

[Gramaisc]

Do we really have to debate this question. I spent years at school and college having to debate this issue. Just keep things as they are and remain a civilised society

I never debated this at any of my ten schools, but I do remember the last hangings - they did two chaps at the same time in different prisons, so that neither would be remembered as the 'last' - like Ruth Ellis was 'the last woman to be hanged'...

 

[flossietoo]

An individual will have perfectly understandable desires to exact a painful revenge upon someone who has wronged a loved one. Hell, if someone hurt my spaniel I'd want to immerse them in hot oil. Fortunately, society doesn't sanction that. Our society is, I think, there to be 'nicer' than the sum of its parts. It must counter some of our less noble facets, including the desire for revenge. At this point in our history, surely we should have moved past considering this kind of state-sponsored violence.

 

[tek-monkey]

There are some horrible people about and I wouldn't shed a tear if they, well, stopped being about!

I like your hot oil idea, the problem is getting the oil to the correct temperature at a convenient time/place. I'd suggest an industrial deep fat fryer for those occaisions where the punishment is planned. A more portable solution would be a bottle of highly flammable liquid with a high sugar content, preferably pour a ****load of sugar into a bottle of petrol/meths/white spirits. That way it caramalises, ensuring an even crispy finish.

 

[flossietoo]

There are some horrible people about and I wouldn't shed a tear if they, well, stopped being about!

I like your hot oil idea, the problem is getting the oil to the correct temperature at a convenient time/place. I'd suggest an industrial deep fat fryer for those occaisions where the punishment is planned. A more portable solution would be a bottle of highly flammable liquid with a high sugar content, preferably pour a ****load of sugar into a bottle of petrol/meths/white spirits. That way it caramalises, ensuring an even crispy finish.

Oh dear....it seems society might sanction the hot oil punishment after all. I'll be extra-vigilant around the spaniels and hope to sidestep the issue.

 

[Gramaisc]

There are some horrible people about and I wouldn't shed a tear if they, well, stopped being about!

I like your hot oil idea, the problem is getting the oil to the correct temperature at a convenient time/place. I'd suggest an industrial deep fat fryer for those occaisions where the punishment is planned. A more portable solution would be a bottle of highly flammable liquid with a high sugar content, preferably pour a ****load of sugar into a bottle of petrol/meths/white spirits. That way it caramalises, ensuring an even crispy finish.

Today is the anniversary of the biggest Tokyo fire raids and it is mentioned in the 'On This Day' section in Wikipedia - some gruesome photographs, along the lines you suggest, are includued in the article...

 

[AA Silencers]

I don't think we should take tek-monkeys comments about burning them with petrol too seriously. With the cost of petrol these days it would be cheaper to just keep ne'er-do-wells in Prison. To be more environmentally friendly we could just use solar lamps to scald them a bit. Taking it a step further, given the carbon content of a human couldn't we recycle criminals into a renewable energy source?

 

[KencoPlenco]

To be more environmentally friendly we could just use solar lamps to scald them a bit. Taking it a step further, given the carbon content of a human couldn't we recycle criminals into a renewable energy source?

I think this is a brilliant Idea, we can heat up are houses with the burning corps of criminals and its technically renewable energy source

 

[Florence]

I read a sf short story a while ago about a future where criminals are made into organ donors if given the death penalty.
It's hero was an escaped convict. In the end it turned out he'd been convicted of a traffic offence.

 

[Gramaisc]

'Mistakes' do happen, apparently - http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0515/texas-executed-wrong-man-in-1989-report.html

 

[LeeA]

A few names.

Timothy Evans.

Derek Bentley

James Hanratty

All hanged despite serious doubt about their guilt. Capital punishment belongs in the history books. It not only punished the comndemned, it also punished their familes.

I do believe however that prison sentences for murder should be far longer than the current average life sentence.

 

[tek-monkey]

I think murder should have a minimum term of at least 15 years, 25 if you kill a kid. Getting ass raped daily should be mandatory.

If you are definately guilty, of course.