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Coronavirus.
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proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Confirmed cases are no longer the yardstick now so many of us have been vaccinated, apparently. It's hospitalisations and deaths that matter now.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
Hospital capacity issues have always been the main problem, really - but "live cases" are, presumably, how new variants arise.
rudie111
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I expect eu numbers to start rising again as delta takes hold
Thehooperman
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Withnail
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Your 'apparently' seems to be doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
'Confirmed cases' has only ever been a snapshot of what's going on in areas where heavy testing is going on. As the Orange Shitgibbon alluded to early in his reign, slow the testing and you slow the case rate, yes? This is the sort of logic that Shania Twain would have issue with.
Hospitalisations and Deaths have always been where it's at, because Deaths in particular are an end-point that really can't be interpreted in any other way.
We are still hostage to the law of Big Numbers - when small percentages hit Big Numbers, Big Numbers tend to win.
Cue
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Apparently our records don’t differentiate between the two AZs and they all show up as Vaxzevria, so this shouldn’t affect us
arthur
Nixon Garden Neatness
hope you feeel better soon
SketchyMagpie
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...o-end-social-distancing-in-england-on-19-july
Dropping mandatory social distancing and reopening nightclubs at this particular time with rising cases is a recipe for disaster IMHO. Giving Covid more hosts is how you get variants and giving it vaccinated hosts is how you get variants that evade vaccines.
They should take what's happened with the Scots at the Euros (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57667163) as a warning sign or at least wait until we have a full picture of how the competition has influenced infection rates. If an outdoor event is proven to have been less safe than predicted, what chance do we have with nightclubs and the like?
The entire UK is about to become a super spreader event.
Dropping mandatory social distancing and reopening nightclubs at this particular time with rising cases is a recipe for disaster IMHO. Giving Covid more hosts is how you get variants and giving it vaccinated hosts is how you get variants that evade vaccines.
They should take what's happened with the Scots at the Euros (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57667163) as a warning sign or at least wait until we have a full picture of how the competition has influenced infection rates. If an outdoor event is proven to have been less safe than predicted, what chance do we have with nightclubs and the like?
The entire UK is about to become a super spreader event.
rudie111
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I'm not saying I don't agree with you, but when do we open up? I've seen theories on opening up later will push the 'exit curve' into autumn/winter coinciding with flu season. At some point we have to let the vaccines do the heavy lifting. Picking that point is the hard part
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Thehooperman
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SketchyMagpie
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"Opening up" isn't really the issue, though, it's the removal of social distancing. You could open nightclubs and keep testing and contact tracing for entry and it would be safer. To me, that's what "living with this virus" looks like, not acting like it doesn't exist. Unfortunately wanting things to immediately go back to normal doesn't make it possible and that seems to be the Government's policy at this point.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Yes that seems entirely sensible.
rudie111
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I agree, I do not see 'learning to live with it' the same as 'getting on with things' as many have called for. We have built a large and capable testing regime in this country. As you say we need to utilise the testing. Social distancing makes certain business models such as night clubs/theatres etc unfeasible.
Beyond this my main concern is schools/school bubbles. In its current form, I think next years exams would be again at risk. That would mean we have a year group who have not done their GCSEs or A Level exams.