Fox hunting

Ecker

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"The insufferable in search of the inedible"

If they can't have foxes, they will be after badgers next, the tories
have always got to be killing something.
 

Hetairoi

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It's not the SNP that will stop this bill going through it is a revolt by about 50 Tory MP's that will do it.

Surely parliament has more important things to discuss than fox hunting?

Fox hunting is a thing of the past and should stay that way, how can we condemn bull fighting if we allow dogs to rip foxes to pieces in this country?
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
It's not the SNP that will stop this bill going through it is a revolt by about 50 Tory MP's that will do it.

Surely parliament has more important things to discuss than fox hunting?

Fox hunting is a thing of the past and should stay that way, how can we condemn bull fighting if we allow dogs to rip foxes to pieces in this country?
Absolutely spot on.
 

Laurie61

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Is there any evidence to show fox numbers have grown significantly since the ban ? If not it does look like somebody attempting to paying off old debts :hmm:
 

Ecker

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Is there any evidence to show fox numbers have grown significantly since the ban ? If not it does look like somebody attempting to paying off old debts :hmm:
I suspect that's called vindictiveness. We have certainly paid with our hospital for voting for David Kidney
two elections ago and the Scots are paying for voting for the SNP by having subsidies removed from wind
farms a year early.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Lefroy votes on party matters how he is expected to vote, there are so few exceptions I question his use as a politician (and I question their use anyway).
 

Withnail

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There is something a bit fishy about this - or possibly a bit foxy. Why pick this as an issue? Why frame it as 'bringing legislation in line with Scotland'?

It's not as if it is some sort of universally despised legislation that the country would rejoice to see the back of - as has been mentioned, there is plenty of support for the ban within the Tory party itself, let alone the rest of both the House and the peeps.

Seems to me that this was more about giving the SNP a bit of a 'nudge' to see if they would really stay out of 'English' affairs. The SNP bit, policy that wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway 'abandoned', everyone can sit back and deride the 'hypocritical' Jocks and heap the blame on them - job done.

One suspects that Jeremy is rather glad that he doesn't now have to vote on it at all - too much of a minefield for him.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
The SNP website currently states - Legislation over fox hunting is devolved to the Scottish Parliament, and Scotland took the opportunity to ban fox hunting in 2002, some two years before the legislation passed south of the border. There are no plans to repeal this legislation.As regards any legislation to repeal the ban in England and Wales, the SNP Group at Westminster has not yet decided its stance. While SNP MPs have tended not to participate in votes on domestic English/Welsh legislation which do not apply to Scotland, the party's Westminster Group will not decide a position on this matter until such time as any proposed legislation can be studied and assessed.

http://snp.org/faqs#

I understood that the SNP's policy was to consider bringing the Scottish legislation into line with the current situation in England & Wales.
 

Gadget

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I have an old school friend who is a hunter (a rabid Tory too funny enough) Their views sicken me to be honest and I am giving serious thought to dropping them off my fb list. They live in Ranton, go to Hunt balls and consider themselves rather hoity toity. I remember where they came from, the same bloody village and street I do.
They insist hunting is pest control, total bollox! Pests or no they don't deserve to be terrified then torn apart. Some pensioners are all over the papers moaning they have badger setts in their gardens and they are ruining them. Really? I'd be overjoyed to have badgers at the end of my garden!
We should remember the animals were here first! We build more, just where are they supposed to go? :ohno:
 

Roland

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At the moment its low paid families with children , the disabled and the unemployed .

Don't give them idea's they will have the unemployed earning their benefits by dressing up like foxes and being chased around the countryside by a bunch of toffs on horses!
 

Maryland

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Can't see too many mysteries here. Having somehow managed to get a government to play with, the Tories are merely behaving as their kind always do, and as they probably can't help doing, and securing their own interests and those of their families, chums and those of various others who may have done or will do them favours. Or vote for them.

Of course fox hunting isnt 'pest control'. That may be an incidental outcome, sometimes, but everyone knows that it's an activity indulged in by those with access to land and horses and a certain amount of privilege purely and simply because it's fun. That some pretend otherwise reflects how sure of themselves they feel, how stupid they think the rest of us are, their shamelessness, and, quite probably, their own inability to understand that we're not taken in by any of their bluster.

Similarly with the raising of the inheritance tax threshold. That's nothing at all about 'rewarding hard work', it's about rewarding precisely the opposite, and taking for you and yours as much wealth, generated in very, very many cases by sheer luck in having a house in the right part of the country at the right time, as you can possibly grab. Their children will be lottery winners, nothing more. Attempts to pretend otherwise are highly disingenuous and are most emphatically not the terms in which such good fortune is discussed around the kitchen supper tables of the Cotswolds. I imagine.

But this is what the country voted for.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
But this is what the country voted for.

“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happenned to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
"But that's terrible," said Arthur.
"Listen, bud," said Ford, "if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another bit of the Universe and say 'That's terrible' I wouldn't be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.”
 
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