Horse meat found in supermarket beef burgers!

[United57]

On holiday in Sardinia I saw Asino and Cavallo on the menu in a local restaurant.

 

[proactive]

Dear God, yet another thread derailed by you henryscat so that you can peddle your views that all meat-eaters are the devil incarnate.

Why can't you keep it all here http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/index.php?threads/the-moral-argument-of-eating-meat-dairy.8365 ?

This thread is about the mislabelling/criminal misrepresentation of food, not veggie versus carnivore.

 

[proactive]

On holiday in Sardinia I saw Asino and Cavallo on the menu in a local restaurant.

Nothing wrong with that, as long as people are aware of what it is they are putting in their mouths. Must admit I've never knowingly eaten donkey and don't have a great desire to but each to their own.

 

[henryscat]

I still don't see why anyone needs to justify eating meat?

Suspect I'm crossing into the territory of another thread, but anyway, it is related to this one.

It is part of a violent, hidden, ideology. Eating meat involves inflicting suffering on animals and their subsequent killing. I think that warrants questioning. If someone was to bash a person's companion animal to death, then most people would think that the culprit should justify their actions and face the criminal consequences. Farmed animals are no different. The only difference is that meat eaters place them in a separate category.

I am a wussy meat eater in that I wouldn't be able to slaughter it myself,

Hiding from killing an animal doesn't mean it hasn't happened or make it any less horrific.

It all comes down to choice, you choose to eat only vegetables (I'm guessing here, maybe you're really a secret meat eater?) I choose to eat meat AND vegetables.

When did you make the conscious decision to start eating meat and what were your reasons?

The vast majority of people were brought up eating meat and never chose to. It is just instilled in people as the "norm" and actually it being a free choice is an illusion.

And I don't eat only vegetables - I'd be eating a very unbalanced diet if I did...!

I choose not to berate you for the murder of innocent vegetables, the working conditions and pay of pickers and packers of said vegetables that you are encouraging, the carbon footprint used in getting all the out of season veg here too...

As I'm sure you know, vegetables cannot be murdered. Whilst the plight of animals is my primary concern, the meat industry exploits people too and think you would find working conditions in an abbatoir to be a lot lot more unpleaseant than picking cauliflowers in a field.

 

[peggy]

beef lasgna is half price in Asda I believe

 

[henryscat]

Dear God, yet another thread derailed by you henryscat so that you can peddle your views that all meat-eaters are the devil incarnate.

Why can't you keep it all here http://www.staffordforum.com/xf/index.php?threads/the-moral-argument-of-eating-meat-dairy.8365 ?

This thread is about the mislabelling/criminal misrepresentation of food, not veggie versus carnivore.

It is a related discussion - part of it is around people finding the idea of eating certain animals, such as horse, being distasteful. It is relevant to question that and that can lead to other discussion. But, I've no problem with shifting the part of the discussion that has moved on a bit to the other thread.

 

[henryscat]

Kill to eat, kill to farm, whats the difference? Animals die regardless, you just have a personal preference for which get killed and for what reason. Why can't littleme have a preference for the ones she wants to eat? I'm amazed someone with such a strong idea of controlling what goes into their own stomach can't understand this concept.

As already mentioned, this is going into the realm of another thread, but I'll say this: the whole point is what underlies those preferences (such as a preference in this country to not eat horse)? On the other thread, questions around this were continually evaded.

 

[tek-monkey]

Evaded you say, yet you've just skirted my question entirely. Why is the rat killed for trying to steal grain worth less than the cow killed to make me a steak? I'll ignore the insects, as I assume you don't count those as real animals so beneath niceties.

EDIT: On topic, if findus had advertised a horse lasagne would you have tried it? I would.

 

[proactive]

if findus had advertised a horse lasagne would you have tried it? I would.

Don't see why not.

 

[andy w]

beef lasgna is half price in Asda I believe

I think they would struggle to give it away at the moment. According to saturdays E&S they reported there has been a backlash against supermarkets and local butchers have seen a big rise in sales. I haven't got any supporting evidence but sales of the processed meat products must have slumped and the Findus brand hit the hardest.

 

[littleme]

Hiding from killing an animal doesn't mean it hasn't happened or make it any less horrific.




When did you make the conscious decision to start eating meat and what were your reasons?

The vast majority of people were brought up eating meat and never chose to. It is just instilled in people as the "norm" and actually it being a free choice is an illusion.

And I don't eat only vegetables - I'd be eating a very unbalanced diet if I did...!



As I'm sure you know, vegetables cannot be murdered .

I know, but I choose not to do it myself and choose to dissassociate myself with both the process and thinking too hard about what the animal looked like before it was killed and also with the conditions in which it was reared. I like a nice fried egg sandwich, but don't want to dwell on the fact that's its an unfertalised ovum.

Its true, I was brought up eating meat, if as an adult I thought this was wrong then I would of stopped as soon as I was in control of what I ate.

Do you eat meat or fish at all Henry's Cat, do you rear and butcher it yourself?

I know veg can't be murdered (you never ate my Grannys veg, boiled for. about 4hrs!).

 

[peggy]

just heard a rumour that Tesco veggie burgers are to be tested for uniquorn

 

[United57]

Just think when you have a bellyfull of beer next Friday evening and the kebab starts calling out.

The kebab a classic means of laundering dodgy meat!!!!!!

 

[John Marwood]

Just think when you have a bellyfull of beer next Friday evening and the kebab starts calling out.

The kebab a classic means of laundering dodgy meat!!!!!!

Elephant's leg?

 

[Withnail]

Elephant's leg?

I had a slice of Pollux for dinner. Pollux and his brother Castor are two elephants, which have been killed. It was tough, coarse, and oily, and I do not recommend English families to eat elephant.

"I never wish to taste a better dinner than a joint of donkey or a ragout of cat." (clicky)

 

[John Marwood]

Tilapia fish cakes and fried black swan

 

[henryscat]

I know, but I choose not to do it myself and choose to dissassociate myself with both the process and thinking too hard about what the animal looked like before it was killed and also with the conditions in which it was reared. I like a nice fried egg sandwich, but don't want to dwell on the fact that's its an unfertalised ovum.

Its true, I was brought up eating meat, if as an adult I thought this was wrong then I would of stopped as soon as I was in control of what I ate.

The psychology of this does interest me. Most people brought up eating meat automatically tend to invoke the disassociating mechanism you mention, which does tend to cloud the right/wrong judgement. Despite what others may have claimed on this thread, I don't think that makes people the "devil incarnate", but nevertheless the inconsistencies are there in people's choices.

Do you eat meat or fish at all Henry's Cat, do you rear and butcher it yourself?

Nope, am vegan

 

[henryscat]

I think they would struggle to give it away at the moment. According to saturdays E&S they reported there has been a backlash against supermarkets and local butchers have seen a big rise in sales. I haven't got any supporting evidence but sales of the processed meat products must have slumped and the Findus brand hit the hardest.

It's ashame that it has taken something of this magnitude to start some people's thinking about their food in terms of what happens before it gets to them and where they buy it.

 

[andy w]

It's ashame that it has taken something of this magnitude to start some people's thinking about their food in terms of what happens before it gets to them and where they buy it.

As in previous discussions, I am of the view that if you are a meat eater you have to accept that there is slaughter on an industrial scale and in the production of many processed meat products all sorts of body parts are ground up to make up the filling in pies,sausages, burgers etc. Even so customers expect the meat,lips, arse,balls etc actually come from the animal that's described on the packaging.

 

[Gramaisc]

There's all sorts of cultural issues about what people will or won't eat. We eat virtually no insect material, despite the technical attractions of such an industry - point out a bit of a bee's leg in some honey and people are often very surprised - and sometimes appalled. A lot of carnivores couldn't eat a rabbit.

The psychology of this does interest me. Most people brought up eating meat automatically tend to invoke the disassociating mechanism you mention, which does tend to cloud the right/wrong judgement.

That's a fairly recent thing - pre-war, a lot of, if not most, non-urban people would have personally known their Sunday dinner.