More cuts to Stafford Hospital A&E

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
If 55% of the active electorate are going to vote for you anyway, why bother?
There may well come a point where a significant proportion of that 55% change their minds. It has happened in the past after all.

Remember there's also a lot of additional housing on the way and who knows how these people may vote. If they are younger folk then that might well not be Conservative.

Certainly writing/emailing to Lefroy, expressing concern at the latest a&e moves and actually saying you won't be voting for him in future unless he sorts it out has got to be worth a try. If enough people do it he might have to take notice out of pure self-interest.
 

cj1

Well-Known Forumite
Over the coming years the country is going to have to face up to the fact that either
  1. taxes will have to increase to pay for 21 century care
  2. Care free at the point of use will have to stop.
  3. Accept the fact that the services the NHS can offer will have to reduce to balance the books as cost of care provision increases.
None of the above will be popular with the electorate.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Over the coming years the country is going to have to face up to the fact that either
  1. taxes will have to increase to pay for 21 century care
  2. Care free at the point of use will have to stop.
  3. Accept the fact that the services the NHS can offer will have to reduce to balance the books as cost of care provision increases.
None of the above will be popular with the electorate.
Future tax increases are likely to be to pay for the costs that Brexit brings. Ironic really in view of the Brexit camp claims...
 

Mikinton

Well-Known Forumite
Certainly writing/emailing to Lefroy, expressing concern at the latest a&e moves and actually saying you won't be voting for him in future unless he sorts it out has got to be worth a try. If enough people do it he might have to take notice out of pure self-interest.
Or send him a Tweet (to @JeremyLefroy) so that his 8,046 followers may see it as well (assuming they can be bothered to look). https://twitter.com/JeremyLefroy

Add a few hashtags like #NHS and #Stafford and a few more might see it.
 

HopesDad

Don't feed the troll
So out of the 77,165 people that he purports to represent, just 8,046 can be bothered to read what he has to say, that’s 10.4 per cent of his electorate. And many of his ‘followers’ won’t live in Stafford anyway.

All of which means that over 90 per cent of the population of Stafford have no clue what their elected member is saying or doing on their behalf. And the vast majority won’t even care, and neither will he.

Until the next election of course, when he’ll be back lurking like the bad smell that he is.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
There may well come a point where a significant proportion of that 55% change their minds. It has happened in the past after all.

Remember there's also a lot of additional housing on the way and who knows how these people may vote. If they are younger folk then that might well not be Conservative.
There may well come such a point, but the percentage has actually been rising steadily, whilst services have been reduced. It may be that change may come, but it could be a very long time coming. The impact of the extra population on the (closed) services may not directly bother many for some time to come.

Let us hope I am wrong, but, even if I am, returning closed services is a hard task....
 

Withnail

Well-Known Forumite
No but when the NHS is doing more than it has ever done before without a bottomless pit of money care is becoming spelt GBP
The magic 'money tree' only bears fruit when it is shaken to facilitate military action, or political expediency.

Odd that such a tree should be planted above a bottomless pit - where on earth are the roots?
 

Withnail

Well-Known Forumite
None of the above will be popular with the electorate.
In some respects the NHS is a shibboleth - any attack upon it will be seen as an attack upon the body politic itself.

This is something that the Conservatives only properly grasped after the wilderness years, but it is becoming increasingly unhelpful.

What we currently face is actually even worse.

'Care' is a generic word, the kind of 'care' that we think is within the purview of the NHS - cradle to grave, that sort of thing - actually isn't. Much of the 'care' we are actually more likely to receive will be provided, or not, by our County rather than our Country.

Sorry if this seems like an 'obvious thing is obvious' kind of point to make, but as has been readily pointed out to us in all-too-recent history, lots of people don't seem to understand how the world works even at all in the tiniest degree.

We are even at a point where the actual NHS is saying, in effect, don't give us so much money, put more of it into social care, but it falling on deaf ears because the 'noise' would only register that the NHS was receiving less.

There is a serious debate to be had about this issue, but I fear we are losing the very ability to conduct one.
 

gilbert grape

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We also have to realise that, however much you force it, some things do not work if they are privatised! Look at America. How many people are broke because they can't pay their bills or suffer due to putting their health on the back burner til they can afford to?
Our NHS really doesn't exist as it once did, already, but most of us don't realise it! The billions that are drained out of our country could pay for our decent care and we would have less of a struggle. The whole" how will we afford it?" scenario really frustrates me! We once did, but then we weren't paying out billions on arms to go to war with other countries or have so much money taken out of the country by fat cats!
I think society has partly been brainwashed by people in power telling us exactly the opposite of what is happening, and too many believe it!
I've been in the system since 1979 with a long term condition and my late parents both went through various clinics and wards so I have seen the changes at first hand. When I get a letter from clinic (which is now very rare) it now says Virgin Healthcare, when I ordered some medical supplies that have to be posted, this was delayed for 3 weeks as, for the second month on the trot, funding had to be cleared.
As a Government you can't be claiming that unemployment is at a record low so there isn't an issue, but then say we don't have funds. Surely that many working people would provide more taxes????
Telling us that everything is getting better then handing us the news like the attached link just shows the inconsistency between promises and truth -
https://www.expressandstar.com/news...taffords-county-hospital/#22ctOKi2DsAdP3Lp.01
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
This is about social policy, not economic policy. There is plenty of money, the choice is about where, and on whom, it is spent. "Nationalisation is bad, privatisation is good" is a fundamental belief of most people here. You are largely wasting your time trying to convert people,
 

gilbert grape

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That was the point early in my post. Privatisation can work on some things but not on others. My care for others is the over riding factor and that is why I feel so strongly. The word "care" is very much watered down once you apply the profit driven mentality and that is where lives are seriously put at risk.

Accident & Emergency - the words that now apply to, Are you sick? or Has something happened to you? And that is how you get dealt with, by my understanding. Kids being triaged in the waiting room? Hardly clinical care is it!
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Caring is a mug's game now. Although there is money to be had from the 'care industry', for those at the top of it.

if it happens to you, then complain - and listen to all the people telling you to stop being negative about things (that don't affect them).
 

Mikinton

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As a Government you can't be claiming that unemployment is at a record low so there isn't an issue, but then say we don't have funds. Surely that many working people would provide more taxes????
At the risk of stating the obvious, not everyone in employment will be paying tax. And as the rate of employment has risen from (say) 93% to (say) 96%, the difference of 3% will likely be people who don't pay tax anyway.*

Returning to the subject of the NHS, it'll always be there; some services will always be free at the point of delivery etc etc. It's just that in the coming years, less and less will be provided for free, and instead of the taxpayer picking up the cost of my (say) hip replacement, it'll be me.

* - (ETA) though there will be a reduction in the amount of unemployment benefit paid in total (or whatever it's called - jobseeker's allowance?) I suppose. Not having been unemployed since 1977, I'm a little out of touch.
 
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Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
At the risk of stating the obvious, not everyone in employment will be paying tax. And as the rate of employment has risen from (say) 93% to (say) 96%, the difference of 3% will likely be people who don't pay tax anyway.
Equally obviously, I hope, income tax is not the only form of tax. Those not paying income tax do pay many other taxes.
 

Jade-clothing

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I've spent many an hour in A&E with my very poorly Dad this year and it's obvious they are stretched. The last time we went he spent 3 hours on a trolley in A&E corridor. Having said that I can't fault the staff, constantly apologetic and checking up on everyone - they are brilliant.
For most of this year I've also been going to Stoke for myself, which is a pain in the derriere as I don't drive. Recently though I've had my appointments moved to Stafford which is great for me, but the other week there were many people from Stoke in the waiting room complaining about how they had to drive to Stafford for their appointments when they could practically see Stoke hospital from their houses. I think they should shut up the complaining and be grateful for NHS care to be honest. It's not the greatest thing in the world for me having a 90 minute round trip to Stoke but I can't fault the care I've had. Big shout out to the Breast care department at Stafford too - it runs like a well oiled machine. Every time I've been the waiting room is packed but they have such an amazing system and although I was there for three hours, they are very thorough and professional. I can't say a bad word about either hospital to be honest, I'm still here because of them :)
 

Withnail

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The whole" how will we afford it?" scenario really frustrates me!
There is plenty of money, the choice is about where, and on whom, it is spent.
Or, indeed, where it is not spent, but hoarded to no purpose whatsoever.

I haven't really kept up with the most recent developments in Paradise, but the last time a 'hard' figure was put on it in my remembrance was in 2012, when it was claimed, with some authority, that 32 trillion dollars - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lion-in-offshore-havens-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 - was sat getting nothing but fat.

In true Marwoodese it's probably worth pointing out that, abbreviations aside, this amounts to...

32,000,000,000,000 dollars

By 2024 the equivalent in GBP will buy you a loaf of bread.
 
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Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Those of us with the patience will have just received a Lefroy newsletter email. It seems to have no obvious mention of hospital matters.

According to some inside information, I understand that we might brace ourselves for a final admission that A&E will close fully at Stafford about April-time. This is not 'official' information, of course, but it comes from people that ought to know what's actually going on.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Those of us with the patience will have just received a Lefroy newsletter email. It seems to have no obvious mention of hospital matters.

According to some inside information, I understand that we might brace ourselves for a final admission that A&E will close fully at Stafford about April-time. This is not 'official' information, of course, but it comes from people that ought to know what's actually going on.
At which point Lefroy will spin it as a fabulous result for our community.
 
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