New McDonalds/Drive thru planned for the Hough Retail Park - not happy

aijun

A few posts under my belt
Evening all,

We live on the Crossings (behind the Hough Retail Park on Lichfield Road). The other half was walking the little one to school this morning and noticed a planning notice by the Retail Park (i've linked them below)

http://tinyurl.com/pyhftmd
2 x PDFs attached below also

There are 3 applications made by an Agent on behalf of McDonald's. 2 relate to store signage whilst the third is regarding a 12m tall "Totem" sign which they want to erect on the junction of Ranshaw Drive (the road that goes between Argos and KFC) and the small roundabout.

As it currently stands there are no application for the unit itself, a few of us and neighbours think they are getting their foot in the door. On the associated documents on the Planning site it shows a plan of the unit which will sit next to Argos and comprise of 2 storeys. The current road leading to the rear of the retail park would be moved closer to the entrance of Alston.

As a resident I'm not happy at all. The 12m sign to me seems a complete waste given that the roads leading up to the retail park a sheltered either by trees or buildings yet it will be staring right at us on the estate. Other signage in the area in relatively low level (Travelodge, KFC, Pizza Hut) so Ive no idea why this could not be the same.

As for the traffic this is a massive concern. With the building works going on in the town centre, once those developments are completed the town will just grind to a halt and the retail park which has always suffered will just get worse and worse. There's massive congestion now at weekends or when Alstom finish shifts.

What are people's thoughts on this ? The consultation on the planning website finishes on Monday 24th November so feel free to add you thoughts to the comments section on there.

Thanks

Richard
thoughts? Alstom staff tolerated new residents at the crossings, destruction of several social facilities.
now macdonalds will come kill the Scooby snack shack.
there was no Lichfield road congestion when Alstom was alone. Now KFC, Hotel, Retail parks, Crossings residents, new MacDonald. To be sure Stafford planners have killed the Lichfield road in their greed for development.
 

John Marwood

I ♥ cryptic crosswords
thoughts? Alstom staff tolerated new residents at the crossings, destruction of several social facilities.
now macdonalds will come kill the Scooby snack shack.
there was no Lichfield road congestion when Alstom was alone. Now KFC, Hotel, Retail parks, Crossings residents, new MacDonald. To be sure Stafford planners have killed the Lichfield road in their greed for development.

planners dont build shops and fast food dumps, they dont even permit those that want to

its your local elected, by you, councillors wot do it
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
thoughts? Alstom staff tolerated new residents at the crossings, destruction of several social facilities.
now macdonalds will come kill the Scooby snack shack.
there was no Lichfield road congestion when Alstom was alone. Now KFC, Hotel, Retail parks, Crossings residents, new MacDonald. To be sure Stafford planners have killed the Lichfield road in their greed for development.
You must be joking with that statement saying there wasn't any congestion on the Lichfield Road before the development.

The road has always been bad but has been made worse by the two sets of traffic lights by St. Leonard's Avenue and the entrance to the retail park.

If you buy a house next to a retail park then you must expect congestion.
 

Goldilox

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Forebridge Villa is still there, it was bought by the nuns as the original convent house, but is now rather overshadowed by the much larger extension on the town side.

The course of the river is also much altered. Some years ago, the grass in the playing fields was mown to show the old course.

From the location I'm guessing Hough Villa is the big house that's now the dentists? And the vicarage is the St John's Ambulance place? What about Lloyds Bank - I'm assuming that was someone's palatial residence at some point too?

It seems odd there isn't a better picture of the Old Hough, given it was only demolished in 1980. It'd be nice to know what it looked like...
 

Gramaisc

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From the location I'm guessing Hough Villa is the big house that's now the dentists? And the vicarage is the St John's Ambulance place? What about Lloyds Bank - I'm assuming that was someone's palatial residence at some point too?

It seems odd there isn't a better picture of the Old Hough, given it was only demolished in 1980. It'd be nice to know what it looked like...
I think the Old Hough is now Frankie & Benny's, it's the New Hough and the Hough Lodge that are demolished.

Oh, wrong way round, it seems - the New Hough was in a very antique style.....
 

joshua

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Introduction: The Old Hough and the New Hough, Stafford
Date:
1979 - 1980 (c.)
Description: Until around 1980 there were two large houses and a lodge in an area known as the Hough in Stafford. These buildings were very near to the Lichfield Road (A34); however, they were all difficult to see because they were surrounded by dense hedges and trees.

In the aerial view above there is a glimpse of the Old Hough top right, in the centre is the New Hough and on the left amongst the trees is the Hough Lodge. Also on the left is the Lichfield Road. This area has been known as The Hough for many years and is located between Forebridge and the Queensville Bridge.

On maps dated 1881 and 1901 The Hough (later known as the Old Hough) is clearly seen as a large house surrounded by gardens and farmland. Adjacent to the house was the Hough Lodge and a range of service buildings which included stables, bakery and Laundry. There is an earlier mention of the Old Hough in a newspaper cutting dated 1820.

Siemens purchased the farm and land in 1901. Over the years the Old Hough buildings had many uses including as a works library by the Company Education Department and later as a storage area for the Pensions Office. The Old Hough was demolished around 1980. The bakery, stables and yard remained and were used for many years by the Site Services Building Maintenance department as a base for their plumbers, painters, roofers, gardeners and bricklayers and their equipment. These building were demolished in February 2006 as part of a redevelopment of the Lichfield Road site and the area became part of the Hough Retail Shopping Park. The Hough Lodge was demolished around January 2009.

The New Hough was built in 1907 and was the residence of the Manager with his servants, a groom and a gardener. The Architect was Arnold Mitchell of Hanover Square, London. The estimated cost was £1,500.00. The building was later enlarged on the ground floor to provide a larger kitchen and staff sitting room. In the 1960s David Hicks, a leading Interior Decorator from London, refurbished the House.

When English Electric established its Headquarters in Stafford, Lord Nelson lived in the New Hough and important customers, guests and visitors stayed there or at Broc Hill, another Company property near Milford. In later years the New Hough became the Company Guest House and continued to be used for important customers and guests.

During GEC and later Alstom's ownership, the New Hough continued to keep its own staff with a housekeeper, part-time chef, cleaner and gardener. The housekeeper had a separate apartment of several rooms and a sewing room in the roof top story of the house. The garden was very large with formal borders, hedges, and lawns; there was also a croquet lawn and a tennis court with their own pavilions and a large vegetable garden. Between the house and the stables was a squash court, a range of garages, a greenhouse and kennels for the dogs. Also in the garden was a pig-sty located far from the house but near to the Main Office block. The pig-sty was later enlarged and converted into cycle sheds for employees.

On 29 November 1996 a Royal visit was made to the Transformer Company by the Duke of Edinburgh and prior to the factory tour the Duke was provided with refreshments in the New Hough.

Along with many other changes to the Lichfield Road Site, the New Hough closed and the contents were sold by Auction on Saturday 20 July 2002. The sale Catalogue listed 230 items of furniture and effects, including a part George III longcase clock by Robert Greaves of Macclesfield.

During the redevelopment of the Site the New Hough was stripped of the wood panelling in the hall, stairs and landing and the staircase removed. All the ground floors rooms were knocked into one large area. The New Hough opened November 2007 as a Frankie and Benny’s New York American Diner/Restaurant.

Special thanks to Mrs Christine Gray and Mr Bob Metcalfe for their information on this subject.
 

joshua

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The Hough Lodge, Stafford
Date:
22 March 2006
Description: In the early 1900s servants and a groom lived in the Old Hough and the Stables, and a gardener and his family lived in the Hough Lodge. In later years retired employees lived in the Lodge and paid a rent to the English Electric Company. The Lodge was last occupied in the late 1990s.

The Hough Lodge was next to the Lichfield Road (A34). It was demolished around January 2009 due to the site redevelopment in this area for a retail shopping park.

On the left is a glimpse of the New Hough and also the Alstom Transformer Factory.
 

Rikki

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Yes to Hough villa being dentist. Lloyds is the building in area 363 on the map or at least part of it. The shape seems about right.
 

Goldilox

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Lloyds is the building in area 363 on the map or at least part of it. The shape seems about right.

Yeah - I had them closer to opposite each other in my head than they looked on the map, so concluded the Lloyds was somewhere in the white space next to 361, but a quick check of street view showed you were right :)

The aerial picture Joshua posted seems to be the only one of the Old Hough coming up on searches. I just seems a little funny that there's no pictures of the frontage.
 

Rikki

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Our house on the map must be the one next to cr 249 however it's not quite the right shape or wide enough unless you take what appears to be drawn as 2 properties as 1
 

Rikki

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Don't suppose anyone knows of any older maps of the area?

I'm under the impression our house was on it's own on that bit of the Lichfield Road at one point and is shown on a old map. Or so I remember being told, would be interesting to know exactly how old it could be.
 

Gramaisc

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The aerial picture Joshua posted seems to be the only one of the Old Hough coming up on searches. I just seems a little funny that there's no pictures of the frontage.
As I remember it, you couldn't really take a picture of it from very far away, it was fairly enclosed by trees and outbuildings, walls, etc..
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Whole stole the the subway? ( pedestrian underpass )
I don't remember any GEC employee using it, do you?

If you drove down the road at knocking off time, you were lucky to be able to move with so many people pouring across the road.
 

Gramaisc

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I don't remember any GEC employee using it, do you?

If you drove down the road at knocking off time, you were lucky to be able to move with so many people pouring across the road.
There were no steps on the St Leonard's side of the subway, only a ramp - and it could be quite entertaining when it was frosty and/or full of wet leaves.
 
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