Nuclear power - Safe or not?

Hetairoi

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I have just heard that they have found traces of radiation in Glasgow that has come from the Japanese power stations!

I have always been unhappy with nuclear power but recemtly, having spoken to someone very knowledgeable on the subject, was beginning to wonderif it was the way forward.

Well this disaster has confirmed what I thought all along that nuclear power is unsafe and should not be used under any circumstances.




Admin edit: Thread title amended.
 

1JKz

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i suggest a read of James Lovelocks' The Revenge of Gaia, you'll soon come round to the idea of nuclear power.

In the interest of the longevity of the planet, it needs to be used i'm afraid.
 

Admin

You there; behave!
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Hetairoi said:
John Marwood said:
http://www.staffordforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=6573&p=2
Sorry missed that one.
No need to apologise. Given that your posts are more regarding the safety of nuclear power in general, I have taken the liberty of changing the thread title in the hopes to stimulate conversation in that direction, as it is certainly an interesting subject.

Hope that's OK. If you have any objections or requests, please just ask. :)
 

Withnail

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Trumpet said:
Personally I reckon nuclear power's ok but earthquakes & tsunamis are dangerous.
The thing is, though, that the problems at the reactors in Japan were as a result of power failure causing a failure in the cooling system. Earthquakes and tsunamis are not the only cause of power failures - extreme flooding or storm surges could just as easily create the same conditions here.

I had pretty much reconciled myself to the fact that nuclear power generation was a necessary evil to generate the non-carbon based power that we will need before all of this bad craziness - now i am very much not so sure. :?:
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
I remain convinced that we just chuck away huge amounts of energy.

E.g., from this very window I can see an illuminated road-sign which informs one that a weight control zone is being exited. I fail to see what occasion would provoke you to stop just past that sign so that you can legally load up to more than 7.5 tons - or, more to the point, why it should be illuminated..
 

henryscat

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Gramaisc said:
I remain convinced that we just chuck away huge amounts of energy.
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Huge amounts of energy are wasted at the power station end as heat which could be put to good use for heating/hot water.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
henryscat said:
Gramaisc said:
I remain convinced that we just chuck away huge amounts of energy.
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Huge amounts of energy are wasted at the power station end as heat which could be put to good use for heating/hot water.
Didn't Battersea have a district heating scheme fifty years ago?

But, if you give away energy these days then people may buy less from you. Makes more 'sense' to throw it away..
 

Mr X

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I'm led to believe that the incinerator at Stoke heats the Britannia Stadium (as well as producing electricity), but am struggling to find evidence for this...
 

Withnail

Well-Known Forumite
Gramaisc said:
henryscat said:
Gramaisc said:
I remain convinced that we just chuck away huge amounts of energy.
Huge amounts of energy are wasted at the power station end as heat which could be put to good use for heating/hot water.
Didn't Battersea have a district heating scheme fifty years ago?

But, if you give away energy these days then people may buy less from you. Makes more 'sense' to throw it away..
One would've thought that energy supply should have been the very last thing to flog to a credulous nation. If ever anything mattered to the security and well-being of our once proud blah-blah, energy generation would be at the heart of it.

Apologies(ish) for the Thatcher-bashing, but were it not for her we would not only quite possibly be energy self-sufficient, but would also be, in all probability, an exporter of clean energy technology - and, who knows, maybe still be the manufacturing economy that we now so desperately wish to be - to the world. For goodness sake don't tell Sid that.

To concentrate on nuclear power generation, as she so concertedly did, it was interesting that such a luminary as George Monbiot should make such a declaration as
Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power

which had this contribution from the awesome xkcd

radiation_450.png


many, many days before the radioactive blob fell through the floor.

It's always a bit 'at a remove'
when they have those maps 'on the news'
that say ' all residents in an eighty mile radius
must remove themselves'.

And we think
'Well that's not so bad,
after all it could be worse -
- one hundred would be a real curse.
 

Bob

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When it comes to nuclear power there will always be serious safety issues – it’s fairly obvious that not enough if known about keeping it safe to be able to do it effectively – even though unforeseen the threat of a natural disaster should have been taken into consideration at it was something that could strike anywhere at any time.

Don’t get me wrong I completely understand the need for it but surely the safe alternatives should be put into practice first. Japan like the UK is a small island surrounded by water with more than enough space for offshore wind turbines and tidal generators – to generate clean, safe and renewable energy.
 

Jenksie

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Does anyone know the safest place in the UK to be in the event of an earthquake?

I Do.

It's Telford.

Just off the M54 in the Ricoh Factory to be precise.

A colleague of mine was given a guided tour last year and my colleague (a Journalist) got a great story.

When they built it they built to the spec it would have in Japan. The planning and engineering exactly that of a factory built in the homeland. They just assumed every where would have the same risk levels. Didn't help them in the recent events though did it? Saved lives for sure and the drills and awareness played a part too but something so big is unstoppable.

When my partner was was a student she was tasked with helping a lecturer research the events around Sellafield in the mid eighties. Many kids had contracted leukaemia - far far more than the national average 14 I think in the tiny towns of Cockermouth etc (Nat average was .5 for an equivalent population).
The only other place with comparable levels was at Faslane Navy Base - no surprises for guessing what was stored there!
So she was allowed into the site (not the visitor centre - that's miles away for the tourists) to quiz the experts.

It all got involved with probability theory - proof has to be established by a pathway - ie how did the kids become ill - they (BNFL) denied it all of course "a statistical anomaly" etc.
It took scientists decades to test for the pathway : water, rivers, sheep wool. lamb, beef, air, dust - you can imagine.

Turns out it was carried in the testes of male workers.

Feck nuclear power. Where are the 50p per quarter bills we were promised? So cheap it's not worth printing a bill?
Just more millions floating up to the top.


Think how things have changed since these things were built - more gadgets yes but:
LED lights, flat screen, solar panels, wind turbines, wave power (this is the big one), motion sensor street lights, condensing boilers, hybid cars, more efficient injected engines, etc etc the answer seems to be use a combination and use it wisely. Sod Nuclear. Turn off streetlights at midnight now. I'm sure you could see every ASDA store from space every night it's so lit up. Make air travel a luxury not an option. Invest in proper railways - get freight off the roads. Motion sensor lighting for streets and workplaces. Options and answers exist if Political will does not.

Who would insure a Nuke plant now? who pays for the clean up? are Iran really just making cheap electricity to power there Ipads?
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Nuclear is dependable, a set output. Unfortunately solar and wind are not, not sure about tidal bit I presume they have peaks and troughs too? Its not like we store all the power in big batteries til its used, without a UPS in every house (or a bloody massive one in every street) we just can't deal with power fluctuations at the level natural resources will incur.
 

Trumpet

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tek-monkey said:
Nuclear is dependable, a set output. Unfortunately solar and wind are not, not sure about tidal bit I presume they have peaks and troughs too? Its not like we store all the power in big batteries til its used, without a UPS in every house (or a bloody massive one in every street) we just can't deal with power fluctuations at the level natural resources will incur.
What he said.
 

Timeflies

The Weatherman
Trumpet said:
tek-monkey said:
Nuclear is dependable, a set output. Unfortunately solar and wind are not, not sure about tidal bit I presume they have peaks and troughs too? Its not like we store all the power in big batteries til its used, without a UPS in every house (or a bloody massive one in every street) we just can't deal with power fluctuations at the level natural resources will incur.
What he said.
Don't forget there are other energy storage methods apart from "massive batteries", pneumatic for example.... Agree Nuclear is the future, for the current generation anyways.

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