Planning and traffic in Stafford.... terrible?

[henryscat]

I do have a car by the way.... I'm not anti-car, just anti excessive use of cars, and anti building yet more roads.

The whole drivers pay too much tax thing is something of a myth propagated by the populist media, because when you look at all the objective evidence and research the conclusions are somewhat different. "Hard done by motorist" headlines sells papers whilst cowardly politicians back down. Public transport users and non car owners really have been stuffed over the years, but because it doesn't sell papers or lose that many votes, the issue has received a lot less attention.

I agree with you that we need to reduce our reliance on cars, but anyone who believes drivers don't pay a disproportionate amount of tax will never understand.....

And the stuff about congestion, you'll just never get it....

 

[RoadRunner]

How about round that last corner and to the right rather than left ... ?

eh? wouldn't that mean you end up going back the way you came?

It's a one way 2 lane gyratory, with no crossing traffic, you can of course get off anywhere, or just keep going round if you really like it that much .

 

[tek-monkey]

Yes I'm now getting a bike, but I'm not gonna whinge about road tax or fuel costs.

For now maybe, but what happens in 10, 20, 30 years time when fuel costs £10 per litre....

Ok we think it won't happen, or "i won't have my bike by then" or other excuses, but my point is car drivers weren't whinging 10 years ago when fuel was cheap....

With any luck, I'll be in a better situation to work from home by then. If it coes down to it I'll start getting the train again, but until the train becomes a better option than driving there's no reason to use it is there? In the current situation, usin a motorbike wll half my commuting costs and save me at least an hour a day. Its a no brainer, and until public transport offers a better alternative, people will drive.

 

[db]

How about round that last corner and to the right rather than left ... ?

eh? wouldn't that mean you end up going back the way you came?

It's a one way 2 lane gyratory, with no crossing traffic, you can of course get off anywhere, or just keep going round if you really like it that much .

you mean, a roundabout?

or is this some obscure joke about making motorists go round in circles?

 

[My Name is URL]

I'm not anti-car, just anti excessive use of cars, and anti building yet more roads.

I'm with you on that one... which is why i'm so glad to be starting my new on the tech park soon so I can cycle... just hope my employer sees the benefits of me cycling and doesn't hold it against me for not driving myaudi / bmw (that I should have, i don't though) to work for image purposes....

 

[Astro Boy]

just hope my employer sees the benefits of me cycling and doesn't hold it against me for not driving myaudi / bmw (that I should have, i don't though) to work for image purposes....

turning up for work sweaty and in a rage from car wrestling is the new chic

 

[My Name is URL]

car wrestling is the new chic

FPMSL

 

[cookie_monster]

How long before Stafford grinds to a halt?

todays bbc new report on the wolverhampton road!

ouch!


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[cookie_monster]

there's a pretty decent tram network in sheffield (which i'm sure cookie monster will comment on), but it comes in for endless flak - accident rate, running costs, level of maintenance, interferance with road traffic, etc..

i the tram!!!!!!

it rocks. it takes me everywhere i need to get to on a regular basis from the bottom of my road, swiftly, generally cleanly and for a very acceptable fare (free coz of work!!! )

motorists hate it, but when it comes to getting buses in sheffield id rather eat my own arm- scabby filth ridden things they are.

i dont mean the people that get them...well sometimes- you get a better class of person on the tram as it tends to be a little more expensive

unfortunately, give the traffic woes stafford already has- a tram just isnt a viable option as i think it would disrupt things even further.


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[Toble]

eh? wouldn't that mean you end up going back the way you came?

It's a one way 2 lane gyratory, with no crossing traffic, you can of course get off anywhere, or just keep going round if you really like it that much .

you mean, a roundabout?

or is this some obscure joke about making motorists go round in circles?

or a reference to a Doctor Who episode recently?

 

[Mrs M]

It doesn't help where people park, eg, the end of Fairway at the junction with Riverway. The funny thing is, I think it is people from the Highways Dept. They probably don't want to pay for their parking like everyone else has to. It's not only a rediculous place to park but a dangerous one. I only presume it's them because the cars are gone after work hours.

 

[henryscat]

It is a silly place to park. More likely people who work in town and don't want to pay parking. The Riverway car park is free for Council staff, so pretty unlikely to be them.

It doesn't help where people park, eg, the end of Fairway at the junction with Riverway. The funny thing is, I think it is people from the Highways Dept. They probably don't want to pay for their parking like everyone else has to. It's not only a rediculous place to park but a dangerous one. I only presume it's them because the cars are gone after work hours.

 

[Mrs M]

Thought they paid as ther are parking meters in there. Did think it was a bit mean of the council making them pay.

 

[henryscat]

The meters were put in because of the new leisure centre opening. Council staff have a permit to park Mon to Fri for free. The car park is permit-only Mon - Fri 08:00 to 16:30 then after 16:30 or all day Sat it is operated as a pay and display. Staff permits aren't valid on Saturdays.

Thought they paid as ther are parking meters in there. Did think it was a bit mean of the council making them pay.

 

[Sofa]

riding in one set of clothes and changing at one's destination is not a suitable option for a professional..

Why not? I know of professional people who jump in a river and swim to work, but they don't sit around in their wet trunks all day.

please no use the car less as a response.

No, please do use cars less.

 

[tek-monkey]

please no use the car less as a response.

No, please do use cars less.

While I agree we need to use cars less, I think he just meant can we have other responses. Its clear people won't use cars less unless it becomes a better option not to drive. How do we make this happen?

 

[Sofa]

Encouraging those who make decisions to support public transport and not keep on building more roads is a start.

Here is a question - why is there no bus station in Stafford?

 

[db]

Why not? I know of professional people who jump in a river and swim to work, but they don't sit around in their wet trunks all day.

i'm pretty sure you don't.. either that or our definitions of "professional" differ..

Encouraging those who make decisions to support public transport and not keep on building more roads is a start.

Here is a question - why is there no bus station in Stafford?

you're doing an excellent job of completely ignoring and disrespecting the wishes of the original poster.. as has previously been said, we're all for debate, but stuff like this is a deliberate attempt to derail the thread and detract from the OP's intentions, just to satisfy your own agenda..

edit: your bus question is an interesting one, though.. why not put it in this thread? or i'm sure you could find another appropriate one if you searched

 

[tek-monkey]

Erm, the depot was behind Zanzibar before it burnt down, but yeah we have no station. Anyone wanting a bus has to know where it goes from, so only people who use the buses know how to get the buses.....

 

[RoadRunner]

eh? wouldn't that mean you end up going back the way you came?

It's a one way 2 lane gyratory, with no crossing traffic, you can of course get off anywhere, or just keep going round if you really like it that much .

you mean, a roundabout?

or is this some obscure joke about making motorists go round in circles?

It's a serious suggestion. You could call it a roundabout if you like and definately not round, but to me it's a bit big for that, and it involves removing the small existing roundabout outside Argos, hence calling it a (small) gyratory. I think I was a bit obscure in my first post concerning this ... , sorry :-(

So, is there enough road space for it? I could imagine the new sign outside Lloyds being removed to get more land at the existing cross roads. The problem as I see it is the ability to get 2 lanes worth of traffic turning outside B&Q from going south east on the Lichfield Road, to head for the roundabout outside Argos. That roundabout would be removed to provide 2 lanes continuing past Lloyds... Perhaps we need an image... I think the technical term for the problem is perhaps 'turning circle'?