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markpa12003

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I'm against the Council wasting our money too, however the Riverside Development and Morrisons redevelopment will be largely funded by the applicants / developers not by the County Council (however CC may provide some contribution). As part of the S106 agreement, the applicants / developers should also expected to contribute to off site highway works, open space etc...

Darben - I'm not impressed by the removal of the mature trees either, I was merely pointing to Ecker that work on the two sites are taking place. Have you seen the plans for the Riverside Development? I think they are huge improvement to the ugly Tesco building and former Riverside Centre.

PPPP - have you read the ground investigation reports that were submitted as part of the Riverside Development?
 
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Dawz

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If the success of queens retails park is anything to go by... few big names completely redeveloped that site. I'd imagine the same will work on the riversides end of town with the big brands coming.
 
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PPPPPP

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markpa12003 said:
I'm against the Council wasting our money too, however the Riverside Development and Morrisons redevelopment will be largely funded by the applicants / developers not by the County Council (however CC may provide some contribution). As part of the S106 agreement, the applicants / developers should also expected to contribute to off site highway works, open space etc...

Darben - I'm not impressed by the removal of the mature trees either, I was merely pointing to Ecker that work on the two sites are taking place. Have you seen the plans for the Riverside Development? I think they are huge improvement to the ugly Tesco building and former Riverside Centre.

PPPP - have you read the ground investigation reports that were submitted as part of the Riverside Development?
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SBC generously donated £750,000 of our money to the Riverslide project, I believe, but that hardly buys a beach hut in the Caymans these days.
 
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darben

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markpa12003 said:
I'm against the Council wasting our money too, however the Riverside Development and Morrisons redevelopment will be largely funded by the applicants / developers not by the County Council (however CC may provide some contribution). As part of the S106 agreement, the applicants / developers should also expected to contribute to off site highway works, open space etc...

Darben - I'm not impressed by the removal of the mature trees either, I was merely pointing to Ecker that work on the two sites are taking place. Have you seen the plans for the Riverside Development? I think they are huge improvement to the ugly Tesco building and former Riverside Centre.

PPPP - have you read the ground investigation reports that were submitted as part of the Riverside Development?
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Pretty architects drawings & the real life actual buildings rarely go hand in hand, I haven't see the plans for a while, but I have seen them in various guises & I'm sure all that went before and now demolished had gorgeous plans too and the council building that is still there (from that era) looks like it has now has issues and isn't very attractive either.

I'd also hope the architecture would have been a little more interesting & progressive, attractive, unusual buildings attract footfall.

Recent history would suggest that various large buildings on that area of land have not been successful & unless there has been huge steps forward in building techniques and designs of such structures then I predict similar discussions will be taking place in about 30 years time or very likely sooner.
Stafford around the sow is mainly marsh land we can't change that so we should adapt buildings that can cope with the environs and not build whatever is the 'bog' standard acceptable norm of the times, hoping the ground will adapt to conform to man made structures by changing it with an odd bodge or two.
I was a bit surprised to hear that the bore holes are only being done now, when the plans have been out for ages. Surely the ground would be the first thing to take into consideration when designing a structure, adaptions now to compensate would be retrospective and have added costs to any initial proposal.
 
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PPPPPP

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darben said:
Pretty architects drawings & the real life actual buildings rarely go hand in hand, I haven't see the plans for a while, but I have seen them in various guises & I'm sure all that went before and now demolished had gorgeous plans too and the council building that is still there (from that era) looks like it has now has issues and isn't very attractive either.

I'd also hope the architecture would have been a little more interesting & progressive, attractive, unusual buildings attract footfall.

Recent history would suggest that various large buildings on that area of land have not been successful & unless there has been huge steps forward in building techniques and designs of such structures then I predict similar discussions will be taking place in about 30 years time or very likely sooner.
Stafford around the sow is mainly marsh land we can't change that so we should adapt buildings that can cope with the environs and not build whatever is the 'bog' standard acceptable norm of the times, hoping the ground will adapt to conform to man made structures by changing it with an odd bodge or two.
I was a bit surprised to hear that the bore holes are only being done now, when the plans have been out for ages. Surely the ground would be the first thing to take into consideration when designing a structure, adaptions now to compensate would be retrospective and have added costs to any initial proposal.
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Bore holes were dug years ago, and if you look at the planning docs you'll see that they did the same for the old Tesco (and no doubt the Riverside Centre), but that didn't stop those buildings having structural problems.

Apparently, the £750,000 donation to the developer from SBC wasn't correct - it's actually more like £1.7m. We should all get free holidays in Jersey for services to their economy.
 
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Sir BoD

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PPPPPP & Darben in Victoria Park, Earlier.
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"Darben, do you know this seat by the River Sow is sinking?!"
"No, but if you hum it, I'll play the spoons."
 
darben

darben

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Surely that can't be Stafford, I'm sure I spotted some trees and foliage in the background!
 
hop

hop

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Withnail said:
I hope your dear old Mum is proud of you. For your sake.

Coz no one else should be.
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I have worked hard and everything is from my own efforts. After a year or so of work I was paying 40% tax and national insurance on top. I sat down and looked at the amount that I was paying and decided something had to be done.

Even being sensible with tax most years I pay more in tax than the average person earns. I'm not going to apologise for using legal means to pay less tax. If you want more money then work harder or work smarter.
 
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Withnail

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In that case i hope your dear old Mum doesn't have, nor ever has, dementia.

What with you refusing to pay for her care and all.
 
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Withnail

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hop said:
I have worked hard and everything is from my own efforts.
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Everything?

Who brought you into the world? How were you brought into the world? By your own 'efforts'?

Who schooled you? How did you get to your schooling? Did you build the school, make the road that got to it?

Your own efforts?

How were the teachers trained that taught you? By your efforts?

Who picked up the mess you made on the way?

You can't possibly have picked up everything you dropped upon the way - physically or metaphorically. Where did the people who picked up the mess you made on your way put the mess you made on your way? Did you make an effort to dispose of it yourself? Where did you put it all?

These are just some of the ways in which we, yes we, benefit from the 'efforts' of others.

Just because you can't 'see' it, doesn't mean it isn't there.
 
Feed The Goat

Feed The Goat

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Surely these posts from hop are spoof. There can't really be someone who still thinks like a 1980's yuppie wonker.

Check out these classic posts :

21.5.13 Hop wrote : I'm not going to apologise for using legal means to pay less tax. If you want more money then work harder or work smarter.

8.4.13 Hop wrote : The poorest section of society is very well looked after in the uk. Try going to a third world country and see the difference.

So much for the caring society, Look after number one and dump on the rest.
 
Wormella

Wormella

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Posted on the Save Stafford Shire Hall fb page
Now, the story is out. Wolverhampton University is taking over the Shire Hall and Library in the centre of town. At least it is a public sector organisation. At least the public will have access to the court rooms and the multi-sensory room so I think our campaign has had an effect. The gallery space will be used for student and community exhibitions as well as touring exhibitions but I am not sure how much space there will be for student, community and touring exhibitions. The Library will be moved to Staffordshire Place. Will it be large enough to house all that it has now? We can only wait and see. Thanks to everyone who signed the petition - we made our views heard and the building was not sold to a private company. Well done.
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ATJ

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Wormella said:
Posted on the Save Stafford Shire Hall fb page
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Its also on the Staffordshire newsletter website. Seems like the least bad of all outcomes.I hope they keep the open art exhibition. Maybe a boost to the rumours that Wolverhampton want to buy the campus.

But... Does this mean Staffordshire will have no public art gallery? So long 'creative county'!
 
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McPhee

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According to the Express and Star the gallery will remain, and part-time courses will be the main focus of the site - part of a wider plan for small satellite campuses in neighbouring towns to make part-time study more accessible. It all sounds very sensible really. There are also pans to partner with Stafford College to run some courses.

I can't help but think 'why didn't Staffordshire Uni think of something like this?'...
 
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