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Withnail

Withnail

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Spelunker said:
It looks like two differing groups approaching the same problem from different directions with the desire of a similar outcome.
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That it does.

The thing that has pissed me off so consistently in the past number of years is that whenever someone has joined up, and piped up, about it, they have adopted an it's-all-CTNHS's-fault-if-they-had-just-said-nothing-we'd-still-have-our-hospital sort of thing.

Ring-a-ding-ding

Yes everybody wants a fully functional hospital within spitting distance - No they don't want the hospital to harm them.

It is very much the same desires that drive both camps, but we find ourselves in a blizzard of blame. This will not do.

As is my wont, i woz looking at overly previous posts just this very day, whereupon i found this one from 2006

Q. Give us a joke... go on it might be funny -
A. Stafford Hospital helps sick people.

Hahaha etc.

Let us depart from this ridiculous either/or scenario that seems to have set in as deeply as weather forecasts and breakfasts.

It is perfectly possible to want to Cure The NHS while Supporting Stafford Hospital in the meanwhile.

There are no discrepancies here beyond the ones we make for ourselves.
 
John Marwood

John Marwood

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Spelunker said:
As a newcomer to the parish but having read most of the documented evidence can anyone explain why there is such a great separation between both Cure the NHS and the support group?
Without the lobbying of CTNHS we would not have had the enquiry and its findings.
As an outsider I find it strange that CTNHS are now being held responsible for the hospital going into administration and the threats that it brings.
Shouldn't we be grateful for the work that they have done in bringing these failures into the public realm .
I do understand and having recently experienced the great quality of care as a patient at tge DGH which was far better than I have experienced elsewhere in the UK ,shouldn't all service groups acknowledge that the quality of care has significantly improved and is now good, and has signigicantly improved .Why are we still seeing disparity between the groups? Do they not have a common aim in better NHS care via DGH.

Confused Stafford
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Because people are thick

Thickos of Stafford

Thick Stafford people who have chosen Julie Bailey as a hate figure rather than ' read to the bottom of each page' and hate Kidney and his cronies, Cameron and his slashers, the exec of the trust ..
 
joshua

joshua

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We were proud to be plebs and now we must become thrilled to be thickos, i believe that the polarization of views is a reflection of the use of social media, you must be for or against, you must follow the herd or become ostrasized.
Sadly there is little space for discourse out there wihout being shouted down at least here we can speak our mnds ( and in some cases babble amusingly) in an atmosphere of respect (mostly).
 
Spelunker

Spelunker

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Withnail said:
That it does.

The thing that has pissed me off so consistently in the past number of years is that whenever someone has joined up, and piped up, about it, they have adopted an it's-all-CTNHS's-fault-if-they-had-just-said-nothing-we'd-still-have-our-hospital sort of thing.

Ring-a-ding-ding

Yes everybody wants a fully functional hospital within spitting distance - No they don't want the hospital to harm them.

It is very much the same desires that drive both camps, but we find ourselves in a blizzard of blame. This will not do.

As is my wont, i woz looking at overly previous posts just this very day, whereupon i found this one from 2006

Q. Give us a joke... go on it might be funny -
A. Stafford Hospital helps sick people.

Hahaha etc.

Let us depart from this ridiculous either/or scenario that seems to have set in as deeply as weather forecasts and breakfasts.

It is perfectly possible to want to Cure The NHS while Supporting Stafford Hospital in the meanwhile.

There are no discrepancies here beyond the ones we make for ourselves.
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In my previous post I said :-

As an outsider I find it strange that CTNHS are now being held responsible for the hospital going into administration and the threats that it brings.
Shouldn't we be grateful for the work that they have done in bringing these failures into the public realm .

Without the work and the tenacity of CTNHS we would not have had an enquiry which, like it or not changed the way the hospital was run, got rid of the foolish people that were running it and replaced them with competent managers who have changed the quality of care for the better. So credit where credit is due.
 
peggy

peggy

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Admin said:
I have removed a few posts from this thread.

As you know, Stafford Forum prides itself on not censoring anyone, regardless of how controversial their views or statements may be. However, this is too important an issue for me to not get involved and to 'sanity check' the posts made in this thread.

I desperately want to support Stafford hospital, and I desperately want to promote this thread in order to do so. I feel that I can only do that if I make sure personal attacks and political mud-slinging is kept to a minimum.

Please help me to do this by keeping a positive vibe to this thread, and making sure that it is only about supporting Stafford hospital, and the Support Stafford Hospital campaign.

Many thanks. :)
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just saying....
 
Spelunker

Spelunker

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I had the need to use the facilities at the DGH over the Easter break and can honestly say that the standards are higher than similar services that I have received elsewhere.

CTNHS started the campaign to improve the shocking care standards ( Francis Report) that were driven by miss-management and as a result improved care at the DGH and succeeded. We now have an agenda, central government or otherwise to dissipate services throughout the area and privatise the DGH/NHS that Save Stafford Hospital are fighting.
Two differing causes with a shockingly similar desire - good quality all round NHS care on our doorstep.
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
So essentially CTNHS have done their job, as they have improved the care. Now SSH is fighting to keep it, maybe CTNHS could look at other hospitals instead? Or is it a local movement? Perhaps if they saw that some hospitals nearby were also crap there would be less chance of breaking up Stafford and making us use those ones?
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
OK, badly worded. If it were to be shown that Stafford now has a higher standard of care than the potential outsourcing sites, would they still push to remove our local services? It would seem foolish to do so, surely better to hold Stafford up as an example of what can be accomplished when things are run properly than to continue to see it as a problem?

Unless of course you had an interest in selling it, in which case you'd continue to bleat about how bad it is. Could fit a lot of houses on that site...
 
db

db

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Withnail said:
The thing that has pissed me off so consistently in the past number of years is that whenever someone has joined up, and piped up, about it, they have adopted an it's-all-CTNHS's-fault-if-they-had-just-said-nothing-we'd-still-have-our-hospital sort of thing.
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not true, imo.. as far as i can tell, most people are in the following camp:

tek-monkey said:
So essentially CTNHS have done their job, as they have improved the care. Now SSH is fighting to keep it, maybe CTNHS could look at other hospitals instead?
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what annoys people and drives them to make silly, accusatory/inflammatory comments (and therefore so consistently pissing you off) is when people blindly continue to support CTNHS and seem to regard them as some kind of martyrs, rather than accepting the fact that they have done their job now and should put their efforts into saving the hospital.. all they are achieving now is keeping the spotlight on stafford hospital for all the wrong reasons, and therefore helping the current government set the wheels in motion to dismantle the NHS by using it as a scapegoat..
 
Withnail

Withnail

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It hasn't been so bad of late, but there was a spate of people signing up not so long ago with what seemed like the sole intention of slagging off Bailey and her supporters.

I don't really see that the job of highlighting causes of concern in all hospitals, not just Stafford, is over. One of the best avenues for bringing concerns to light is via patient experience - this is what CTNHS does not just here but similar groups inspired by them have been formed elsewhere.

I want the hospital to survive as well, but there will still be a place for a watchdog of some sort to ensure that standards remain high.
 
Admin

Admin

You there; behave!
Staff member
peggy said:
just saying....
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Thanks peggy. :)

proactive said:
They are perfectly legitimate points to make, surely, in a spirit of wanting everyone to come together to fight for the same purpose.
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Indeed, and that's why I have left the ones that I have.

I have removed some personal attacks, though, and would appreciate it if people would leave such vitriol out of this thread.

Thanks. :)
 
Glam

Glam

Mad Cat Woman
I lost my mum at the DGH due to incompetence,neglect or whatever you want to call it. we never persued anything, due to the amount of grief we all felt at the time I suppose, that and the fact it wouldn't bring mum back.

Due to the nature of my job, I have cause to go the DGH at times with patients, can't really fault the care they get. You still get the odd 1, who when you say you're from St. Georges, gives you a look of horror, but on the whole, things have improved up there.

I just wish the care they give now, had been the norm when mum was ill, we might have had a bit longer with her.
 
Moby Dick

Moby Dick

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Glam said:
I lost my mum at the DGH due to incompetence,neglect or whatever you want to call it. we never persued anything, due to the amount of grief we all felt at the time I suppose, that and the fact it wouldn't bring mum back.

Due to the nature of my job, I have cause to go the DGH at times with patients, can't really fault the care they get. You still get the odd 1, who when you say you're from St. Georges, gives you a look of horror, but on the whole, things have improved up there.

I just wish the care they give now, had been the norm when mum was ill, we might have had a bit longer with her.
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Agree with you Glam and sorry about your Mum. St George's will always be stigmatised by older generations possibly for its connection to being the local asylum in years gone by and shall always be regarded with questionable response.

It is equally and unpalatable fact that we do get old if fortunate or beyond help,if we are going to require the services of the SDGH in the first place then all is not as it should be. Fine as the nursing are unquestionably are they cannot sadly cure all and the inevitable end is in fact inevitable. I was happy to join the protest last Saturday for no other agenda but to keep my hospital open and have it's excellent services available to me and all the people I care about provided by excellent caring staff which I believe the staff at the SDGH are.

It takes courage to examine what may of taken place with the person you loved and realise that their was no blame, my mother died in hospital and sadly was beyond reasonable help. I believe the Francis report went through all cases highlighted as dubious and upheld the ones where blame was appropriate and discounted ones that were not. Personal situations are ALWAYS going to alter each individual case as when dealing with such an emotional and traumatic event it should do. No two cases are the same and cannot be. No two people can equally share the grief of loosing someone in exactly the same way so where one may feel there is some reponsibility to lay at someone's door the next may feel the best was done for them...

I would like to see through my rosé tinted glasses a day when should you mention to a stranger where you come from that they may of heard of Stafford for very different and positive reasons....
 
flossietoo

flossietoo

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Leaving aside the issues for a moment, I wonder whether the Newsletter deserves some credit for the way that they have got behind and even, to some extent, driven this campaign. I know that the paper comes in for a bashing on the Forum quite regularly but really, I think it has demonstrated in this instance the very best qualities of a local press. It understood the concerns of a large number of its readers, it came down firmly on their side and it has given them a voice.

It's a tough time for local (and even national) papers at the moment but the Newsletter has shown the importance of having reporters and other staff actually living in the area about which they write. Maybe they deserve a bit of support too?
 
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