The youth of today / clueless old gits

That-Crazy-Rat-Lady

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Absolutely true but when we were young we weren't glued to mobile 'phones 24/7 to the exclusion of all things domestic. It's not their fault of course; they've imbibed it for years and now they're addicted. I see them all the time walking along texting or talking. As for Facebook! It's a social disease.

Why does everyone assume that the youth of today are mobile phone zombies?

I would like to know how much time @hardwood actually spends with young people!?

As a teacher I speak with thousands of young people aged 11 - 18 every single day

They are intelligent, enthusiastic, amazing and never cease to inspire me and make me laugh (mostly with them - sometimes at them....)

So to put your minds at rest - I can confirm - they're doing OKAY.
 

Jonah

Spouting nonsense since the day I learned to talk
Why does everyone assume that the youth of today are mobile phone zombies?

I would like to know how much time @hardwood actually spends with young people!?

As a teacher I speak with thousands of young people aged 11 - 18 every single day

They are intelligent, enthusiastic, amazing and never cease to inspire me and make me laugh (mostly with them - sometimes at them....)

So to put your minds at rest - I can confirm - they're doing OKAY.
Well said!
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Why does everyone assume that the youth of today are mobile phone zombies?

I would like to know how much time @hardwood actually spends with young people!?

As a teacher I speak with thousands of young people aged 11 - 18 every single day

They are intelligent, enthusiastic, amazing and never cease to inspire me and make me laugh (mostly with them - sometimes at them....)

So to put your minds at rest - I can confirm - they're doing OKAY.
Was in the Wayfarer last night and it was noticeable that it was the oldies who were on their phones much more than the 20 somethings.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
There were words in it ?
Plenty.

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ATJ

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FYI, when you go off muttering to yourself in the supermarket about people today having their heads in their phones after you reversed in to me - think that maybe I've got my shopping list on it.
 

hardwood

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It is purely a generation divide.

You 'old gits' who can wire your plugs, cannot track and kill wild animals with a few simple home made weapons, your generation cannot start a fire with a couple of sticks, you cannot ride horses or drive a cart, you cannot look after pigs, chickens and cows in your own back garden, you cannot sew your own clothes or grow your own vegetables or brew your own beer.

I do however believe there is room for improvement, with the modern technology available at our fingertips there may be a need for less focus on working out the angles of a triangles

Lots of generalisations here, but for the record I can track and kill an animal with a gun or a bow. I can ride a horse and make beer neither of which are difficult indeed driving a car is harder to master than learn to ride a horse even jumping is difficult so long as you show no fear otherwise it sense this and refuse the jump.

With regards to your last point I totally disagree perhaps the teachers were unable to explain the real world use of things like Pythagoras theory. There have been many situations where I need to drop back elementary maths. The time I fitted some solar panels in the garden being a basic example. Without knowing how calculate the length of a side knowing some angles and other lengths this task would have been impossible or the net result would have been compromised.

But as has been pointed out we live in a consumer society. People would rather pay extra since they lack confidence.
 

Amerlan

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An archive picture of a dodgy plug I once noticed in a village south of Stafford.

Not surprised the plug is a bit charred. The Neutral looks like it is connected to the live terminal and the Live wire seems to disappear towards the Earth terminal.
Kid's today Eh! Says the (long time ago) kid who thought it would be a good idea to drop a piece of bent wire onto the partly extracted live plug just to see what would happen. That was shortly before my arse was introduced to my Dad's army belt. All good fun being a kid I recall. LOL
 

Gramaisc

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Not surprised the plug is a bit charred. The Neutral looks like it is connected to the live terminal and the Live wire seems to disappear towards the Earth terminal.
Kid's today Eh! Says the (long time ago) kid who thought it would be a good idea to drop a piece of bent wire onto the partly extracted live plug just to see what would happen. That was shortly before my arse was introduced to my Dad's army belt. All good fun being a kid I recall. LOL
The neutral is on the right when looking from underneath and the live connection is up at the top of the plug, next to the earth, due to the fuse being between that and the live pin.
 

Carole

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That plug could well be older than you.

The plug was attached to a Kenwood Chef food mixer which my mother won in a raffle 47 years ago....and it was second hand when she won it. So it's at least 50 years old, and I doubt the plug was changed at all until recently.

I inherited the food mixer from my Mum and I'm still using it weekly to bake cakes and "touchwood" it's still going strong.
 

Gramaisc

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The plug was attached to a Kenwood Chef food mixer which my mother won in a raffle 47 years ago....and it was second hand when she won it. So it's at least 50 years old, and I doubt the plug was changed at all until recently.

I inherited the food mixer from my Mum and I'm still using it weekly to bake cakes and "touchwood" it's still going strong.
They're a great device. Almost all that goes wrong is insulation failures of the motor capacitor, usually due to flour dust causing tracking. The odd belt might fail, but I've never found that to be the case.

I would like the casing to be earthed, but not enough to actually bother to earth mine.

A man's mixer - you could do small amounts of mortar in one.
 

Withnail

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I taught one of those yoofs, that we have now, how to fix the puncture in his rear wheel - the trickiest of wheels i trust you'd agree, though tbf it's only between two - just the other day.

Did he absorb my informative and methodological presentation of the process?

We'll find out next time it happens, when i refuse to fix it for him...
 

Bob

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Lots of generalisations here, but for the record I can track and kill an animal with a gun or a bow. I can ride a horse and make beer neither of which are difficult indeed driving a car is harder to master than learn to ride a horse even jumping is difficult so long as you show no fear otherwise it sense this and refuse the jump.

With regards to your last point I totally disagree perhaps the teachers were unable to explain the real world use of things like Pythagoras theory. There have been many situations where I need to drop back elementary maths. The time I fitted some solar panels in the garden being a basic example. Without knowing how calculate the length of a side knowing some angles and other lengths this task would have been impossible or the net result would have been compromised.

But as has been pointed out we live in a consumer society. People would rather pay extra since they lack confidence.

I said in my post it was a generalisation - that was the point to it.

Also with previous generations - the medieval hunter gatherer types had no guns, you could not order your weapons online or pick them up from the shops, your hunting was limited to what you could fashion together with sticks and rock and twine.

But nobody has to do that anymore, people that do hunt - and many do choose to do this, tend to do it as a leisure activity. It's no longer a necessity to survive.

I disagree with the horse riding comment - it is a difficult skill that takes a lifetime to master, it is a relationship built on trust and care and mutual respect, the most competent rider is still at risk of their horse spooks, trips, refuses a jump or lands awkwardly. In the modern day and age horses and riders are most at risk from cars on the roads, if an idiot boy racer is coming at you at 70 miles an hour down a narrow lane AP McCoy couldn't get himself out of that situation.

Driving a car can be 'mastered' (to DVLA standards - possibly a debate for another time) in weeks, cars are in comparison care free, safer, more cost and time efficient and a more comfortable 'ride' for most people.

My comment regarding the riding is that again it is an outdated necessity, animals are not generally required in order to get from A to B, riding has become a leisure activity and it's a skill many have not acquired. I ride and know many that do but I know more people that don't.

There are exceptions to every generalisation - from personal experience I have never had to work use much of my GCSE maths, I learnt it and have now all but forgotten most of it. If I need to know it again - I'm pretty sure there will be an app for it though I never once said this was true of everyone.
 
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Amerlan

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The neutral is on the right when looking from underneath and the live connection is up at the top of the plug, next to the earth, due to the fuse being between that and the live pin.
I stand corrected, thanks Gramaisc.
 
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