Trade Unions.

Alan B'Stard

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I actually used to work for "The Post Office" before it changed to Royal Mail Parcels, Post Office Counters Ltd and the rest. I saw the separation of the business and received the payouts from changes in working practices involved as a result of Union negotiations back in 1989'ish. When I started the RM had the largest retail network in the UK, with over 28k retail outlets, surpassing WHS by miles.

By 1991 I was a Vice Chairman of the local branch and had to return from a conference in Blackpool to arrange a strike in defense of PO closures. Taunton being the county town of Somerset, my older colleagues advised me that "this would never go". Stafford has recently seen it's main PO transferred to WHS. I'm sure there would have been similar discussions up here. Taunton's PO is now also a 1 stop or similar.

The retail network of the PO is something like 14k now, the Union is strong amongst the "postal workers" but the handbag brigade (counter staff) has always been weak. The job that I did, (counter clerk) has been deskilled due to the advance of technology. I had to train for 6 weeks before I could sit behind a counter and then still receive on job training at the PO.

I was earning at least 16k a year back then, I was handling millions of pounds a day despatching cash to the PO network. In the end, I chose to leave and go to college (which is another story) but the PO remains as a forming experince for myself.

So, almost twenty years later, the PO network has diminished, industrial activity has increased and the job that I used to do is probably paid at minimum wage. To keep this on topic, are the Unions to blame for this?

It was not the UCW who decided to refrain from pension contributions from the employer, creating the huge deficit that now exists, it was PO management and subsequent governments (Tory & Labour) that allowed this.

At my interview, at a tender 17, I asked "do I have to join the Trade Union", I was advised yes, most people did.

20 years on, I wonder if we should subsidise a failing industry and support local PO's? The first thing to go was pension payments, a core earner for the PO, paid into bank accounts, no use for PO's.

Do we want a government that supports "efficiency" or one that supports local communities?

A quick, but poor summary, Trade Unions - Yes. In this particular instance they highlighted the present many years ago, I'm just glad I'm able to see it from the periphery and not be part of it.
 

gon2seed

(and me! - Ed)
Always been in a Union since I was a student. I'm not going to get into a discussion/argument 'cause I doubt I would convince anyone. You have a chance of fighting your corner, if you are elecquent, self confident and you have a skill other employers are after; but if your not, god help you! I doubt if many of the blokes who made a decision to come out of the union, after the last fire strike, think they made a sensible descision; and I have never met firefighters not able to shout up for themselves!
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Standard practice when running a business into the ground is to cream off as much as possible before the crunch comes.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Should have remembered after Rover.

EDIT: Maybe there should be some rule that when a business states it is in too poor financial state to increase pay at least in line with inflation, they must publish their accounts? And if asking for government aid especially.
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
tek-monkey said:
Should have remembered after Rover.

EDIT: Maybe there should be some rule that when a business states it is in too poor financial state to increase pay at least in line with inflation, they must publish their accounts? And if asking for government aid especially.
If you're incorporated you have to submit full and abbreviated accounts every 12 months.
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
at the risk of cross-threading, what is the Unions position re the current ongoing debacle at the SDGH?.......
 

My Name is URL

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tek-monkey said:
30,000 theiving scrotes
Forgive me for coming to the thread late.... how can people without a job who get offered work (albeit temporary) working for Royal Mail and accept, be thieving scrotes?
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
gk141054 said:
tek-monkey said:
30,000 theiving scrotes
Forgive me for coming to the thread late.... how can people without a job who get offered work (albeit temporary) working for Royal Mail and accept, be thieving scrotes?
I wonder if there might be an implication here that some of these temporary workers may not be fully trustworthy when presented with parcels which may contain X-Boxes, etc. - or whatever the 'current things' is. Also people still put cash in Christmas cards, I believe. Not much chance of me doing that, I can tell you!
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
gk141054 said:
tek-monkey said:
30,000 theiving scrotes
Forgive me for coming to the thread late.... how can people without a job who get offered work (albeit temporary) working for Royal Mail and accept, be thieving scrotes?
Sorry, but yeah Gramaisc has it right. Lets just say that historically a lot more things go missing that I am expecting over the christmas period, than when it is just the full time postmen/women doing the deliveries. These things cannot just go missing, otherwise at some point the depots would literally be rammed full of parcels that somehow never reached their destination and someone might notice. Therefore they are somehow relocated off premises, and not returned.
 

Rikki

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The whole recruiting of staff thing just seems like a badly thought through PR stunt to me. It's not going to be possible for them to recruit and train that many staff so quickly. I've also heard it might not be technically legal for them to do so anyway, I'll admit I've no idea about how correct that is though.
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
Gramaisc said:
gk141054 said:
tek-monkey said:
30,000 theiving scrotes
Forgive me for coming to the thread late.... how can people without a job who get offered work (albeit temporary) working for Royal Mail and accept, be thieving scrotes?
I wonder if there might be an implication here that some of these temporary workers may not be fully trustworthy when presented with parcels which may contain X-Boxes, etc. - or whatever the 'current things' is. Also people still put cash in Christmas cards, I believe. Not much chance of me doing that, I can tell you!
x- boxes, mobile phones dvds cds 'current things' etc are usually delivered by numerous carriers other than the royal mail, every 6mths or so the daily mail report on a royal mail employee who has failed to deliver and stashed 1000s of items in an unused rear bedroom they mostly seem to be long service employees not temps who possibly are so needy that they would be grateful for regular employment and most unlikely to jepordise the chance of a permanent position should it arise........
 

The Hawk

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