UKIP........

kyoto49

kyoto49

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John Marwood said:
Let me try again

Immigrants contribute more to the economy than those born here ( source ONS )

As the existing population is an ageing one then there is a need to redress the balance between the elderly, who now contribute less than they use in terms of resources because they no longer work and pay taxes, but also have a cost in pensions and treatment - And a younger population who do work and pay taxes.

Without immigration there are less young people and there is less money generated to pay for all the services that our taxes buy - roads, schools hospitals etc etc

So, without immigration your taxes will increase and the services provided to you will decrease



Note

The UK has been in deficit since 1983
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So, immigrants contribute significantly more to the economy, but then all their subesequent children/grandchildren/great grandchildren etc etc, dependent on ethnicity, cost the country a fortune with up to 18 % (in the case of black people) being unemployed. Am I the only one who can't make the supposed medium term gain of immigrants add up to be more than the cost of their unemployed descendants? How can this redress the increase the imbalance in our aging population? Surely, given that 1 in 5 people of black origin are unemployed this far outweighs any benefit their immigrant relatives provided to the economy way back when? And surely all these immigrants then themselves cost money when they become the pensioners of the future?

I'm not against some immigration by the way, just spurious figures based with no substance or common sense in them. I mean, how can the ONS work out the benefits of immigration. I assume this is a purely monetary benefit. What about the intangible costs, the feelings of the indigenous population, or the intangible benefits - we all like a nice curry :) ! Do the ONS factor in that up to 20% of their descendants may be a financial burden on the state when deciding that immigrants are a benefit to us all?
 
John Marwood

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kyoto49 said:
So, immigrants contribute significantly more to the economy, but then all their subesequent children/grandchildren/great grandchildren etc etc, dependent on ethnicity, cost the country a fortune with up to 18 % (in the case of black people) being unemployed. Am I the only one who can't make the supposed medium term gain of immigrants add up to be more than the cost of their unemployed descendants? How can this redress the increase the imbalance in our aging population? Surely, given that 1 in 5 people of black origin are unemployed this far outweighs any benefit their immigrant relatives provided to the economy way back when? And surely all these immigrants then themselves cost money when they become the pensioners of the future?

I'm not against some immigration by the way, just spurious figures based with no substance or common sense in them. I mean, how can the ONS work out the benefits of immigration. I assume this is a purely monetary benefit. What about the intangible costs, the feelings of the indigenous population, or the intangible benefits - we all like a nice curry :) ! Do the ONS factor in that up to 20% of their descendants may be a financial burden on the state when deciding that immigrants are a benefit to us all?
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I wouldn't want to live next door to you
 
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andy w

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Followed by a few dodgy white Russians ( people not the drink!)
Something to do about how we favourably tax Non Doms ( Shame they can't do the same for all of us)
 
Gramaisc

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andy w said:
Followed by a few dodgy white Russians ( people not the drink!)
Something to do about how we favourably tax Non Doms ( Shame they can't do the same for all of us)
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I know people who are equally upset by rich immigrants as they are by unemployed immigrants, yet they know none in either category.
 
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andy w

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Any need for that?
We are all entitled to our opinions and the good thing about this forum is we can agree, disagree, argue the toss etc over a subject and leave it at that and then discuss any topic or have banter without holding a grudge. Well I'd like to think that's the case.
 
kyoto49

kyoto49

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Gramaisc said:
I know people who are equally upset by rich immigrants as they are by unemployed immigrants, yet they know none in either category.
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I'm not personally upset by either or any immigrants inbetween, I just hate being force fed bullshit statistics by those in power to justify a policy that those they are supposed to represent are most negatively affected by. Lets be honest, its not any of those MP's in Westminster whose children might find the local school over subscribed, or who might find their local Drs hasn't an appintment for weeks due to overwhelming demand, or who find themselves competing for a low wage job that an immigrant will do for cheaper. Generally the people who gain most from immigration are the rich and those that gain least are the poor, hence the constant stream of manufactured crap they spout about how great immigration is for the country. The poor aren't racist or anti immigration by birth right, they are just most affected in all aspects of their daily struggle to survive. More immigrants exacerbates the problems they already encounter on a daily basis and don't actually care that it apparantly is good for the economy, an economy that overwhelmingly enables the rich to continue getting richer.
 
kyoto49

kyoto49

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andy w said:
Any need for that?
We are all entitled to our opinions and the good thing about this forum is we can agree, disagree, argue the toss etc over a subject and leave it at that and then discuss any topic or have banter without holding a grudge. Well I'd like to think that's the case.
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Was that aimed at me as I was only responding in kind to what John Marwood said..........

I agree with you, I don't think I've been rude to anyone at all :/
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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Thinking back, I haven't had an interaction with a doctor who wasn't an immigrant since 1994.

Indeed, a lot of Tory/UKIP supporters would actually be horrified if 'their' immigrant workers were no longer available and they were left with Wayne and Waynetta.
 
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andy w

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As with all issues there are pro's and con's with the EU and immigration and there are no doubts that the majority of people who have came to this country have contributed to it but does that mean we shouldn't have a tighter immigration policy that's based on how many people this country can cope with and what the newcomers offer. What does this country need? Qualified Doctors or Scrap Metal Collectors?
Personally I'm not bothered where people come from because, dare I say it, we're all in it together (just more so than others!).
No my opposition to mass immigration is based on numbers and the failure of successive governments to build the extra houses, roads, schools, airport capacity etc. to cope with the sharp rise in the UK's population.
 
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Mikinton

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Here's a good laugh : The #WhyImVotingUkip hashtag

Super Danny Kirks ⚒ ‏@Dan_Kirkby · 5m
#WhyImVotingUkip
Because I'm slightly more racist than a Tory voter, but slightly less racist than a BNP voter.
pic.twitter.com/TzVB32XbHf

Allister ‏@ScottishPleb · 7m
#WhyImVotingUkip
Because I hate the thought of all these Romulans coming to Britain. Beam me up Nigel.

James McMahon ‏@jamesjammcmahon · 21m
#WhyImVotingUKip
I'm sick of foreigners coming over here, treating our sick, making a substantial contribution to our depleted treasury
 
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