Gramaisc
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According to these people - http://www.emptyhomes.com/ - who may well have an axe to grind, of course, there are currently 645,127 empty homes in England - not sure about the figure for the whole of the UK.
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John Marwood
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Let me try again
Immigrants contribute more to the economy than those born here ( source ONS )
As the existing population is an ageing one then there is a need to redress the balance between the elderly, who now contribute less than they use in terms of resources because they no longer work and pay taxes, but also have a cost in pensions and treatment - And a younger population who do work and pay taxes.
Without immigration there are less young people and there is less money generated to pay for all the services that our taxes buy - roads, schools hospitals etc etc
So, without immigration your taxes will increase and the services provided to you will decrease
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The UK has been in deficit since 1983
tek-monkey
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The elderly wouldn't have a cost in pensions at all if their contributions had been invested properly.
I wonder if the rise in rents, youth unemployment and suppression of wages has been factored into the benefits of immigration.
Many unskilled, semi skilled and skilled trades have seen wage suppression even before the recession. Within a year of opening up to the Eastern Europeans the going rate for welders went from £9 to £7 and even now the rate is around £9 when it should be around £13. The same happened in the building trade with newcomers prepared to work for £90 a day instead of the going rate of £150 although I can't comment on the present situation. But what I do know is we have too many people employed on low wages and it is costing the government/taxpayer billions in tax credits and housing benefits to make their money up. Now I'm not going to blame all that situation on immigration but it has played it's part.
The same can be said about the cost of housing. It is all about supply and demand and whilst we have more single person households than ever before, 250,000 newcomers a year have to be housed somewhere and undoubtedly has increased the costs of rents and thus costing the government extra money in housing benefits.
Also you must ask how many of the jobs migrants have filled could be done by people who are not working and are either unemployed, underemployed or on college courses. It is an absolute scandal that we have over 900,000 under 25's unemployed and successive governments have failed to stop so many people becoming dependent on benefit.
If immigration is so beneficial to public finances, why is the government borrowing over £100 billion a year?
Many unskilled, semi skilled and skilled trades have seen wage suppression even before the recession. Within a year of opening up to the Eastern Europeans the going rate for welders went from £9 to £7 and even now the rate is around £9 when it should be around £13. The same happened in the building trade with newcomers prepared to work for £90 a day instead of the going rate of £150 although I can't comment on the present situation. But what I do know is we have too many people employed on low wages and it is costing the government/taxpayer billions in tax credits and housing benefits to make their money up. Now I'm not going to blame all that situation on immigration but it has played it's part.
The same can be said about the cost of housing. It is all about supply and demand and whilst we have more single person households than ever before, 250,000 newcomers a year have to be housed somewhere and undoubtedly has increased the costs of rents and thus costing the government extra money in housing benefits.
Also you must ask how many of the jobs migrants have filled could be done by people who are not working and are either unemployed, underemployed or on college courses. It is an absolute scandal that we have over 900,000 under 25's unemployed and successive governments have failed to stop so many people becoming dependent on benefit.
If immigration is so beneficial to public finances, why is the government borrowing over £100 billion a year?
John Marwood
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And the trade deficit last year was the highest ever recorded - but it won't alter the fact that immigrants contribute more than those born here and that is the here and the now and quite likely the future
We as a nation are borrowing more today than ever before in history - including the term of last Government.
We are still being lent to because those lenders still see the UK assets as higher than the loans - These assets include every single plot of land, lake , river, forest, quay, dock, building , smelting plant, national infrastructure, farm, school and owl that come under nations wealth.
We have effectively pawned everything that is around us - for the rest of our lives
John Marwood
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Because the 'balance' is so way out
tek-monkey
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It is quite frightening how the deficit ballooned during the last years of the Labour government reaching £160 billion and then witnessing the Coalition struggling to meaningful reduce it. Between the three parties they will have tripled the National debt to £1.5 Trillion and whoever wins next year will add to it for some years to come. The concern is that if confidence is lost in our governments ability to get on top of it's spending, we could see the pound plummet and then we face very high inflation. Saying that this country does seem to muddle through and there are plenty of European countries I would not swap places with.
Whilst I stand by my assertion that mass immigration is not helping with finances, I do admit there are other factors that need to be taken into consideration. The ability of Multinational companies and individuals to avoid tax is costing the country tens of billions.
Whilst I stand by my assertion that mass immigration is not helping with finances, I do admit there are other factors that need to be taken into consideration. The ability of Multinational companies and individuals to avoid tax is costing the country tens of billions.
Gramaisc
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When they're Catholics....
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Enjoying a drop of red.
The current overall rate of unemployment is 6.8%. Don't know how that breaks down into ethnic groups though.
Gramaisc
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This is second quarter, 2009.
..also 'Asian' is a bit broad, there can be a big difference between Indian and Pakistani/Bangladeshi rates.
It's interesting that the 'white' rate went up faster than the 'Asian' or 'all ethic minorities' rates.
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I'm pretty sure last time I looked it was higher still for those classified as black (can I even say that anymore?), despite most actually being British born and bred. I have no idea if this is down to laziness or racism, nor how this is in any way relevant to immigration, but figured it should be said if the Asians are getting labelled.
Asian or not, its only ever the British you see drinking skol super outside the co-op at 9am. No idea why that is either.
Asian or not, its only ever the British you see drinking skol super outside the co-op at 9am. No idea why that is either.
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kyoto49
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At what point do immigrants not become immigrants? Because there seems to be opposing statistics going on in here. Apparantly immigrants contribute more to the economy blah blah blah, yet the unemployment rates for all ethnic minorities, who by definition are all immigrants, is significantly more than for white British people, so which is it?
Withnail
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When they are born in the UK - otherwise where have they emigrated from?
See above.
John Marwood
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