Wikileaks

[quizteam aguilera]

some people I met at college could have been aliens

Did we go to ther same college? Is that you Steve?

Rodbaston

There was a Steve on the course, he had sticky out ears full of straw, is that him?

 

[Withnail]

How do we know that wikileaks isnt just editing for public consumption?

The sheer scale of the 'stuff' they have suggests they are just dropping it and letting others do the editing. Today seems to be the day of "let's see what they say about the Vatican", for example.

The thing to remember also is that the info being released is essentially edited material to begin with - it's not necessarily what is happening, but the diplomats take on what is. An interesting point was made by Christopher Meyer on QT a couple of weeks ago when he said that some diplomats will even 'sex up' their communiques to make them sound more important - but then as a diplomat himself he could've been looking after his own.

Still, they remain interesting as they let us know the information the US has received that informs what they do and gives a window on the political world behind it's BS veneer.

I've yet to read of anything released that could genuinely be said to pose a threat that didn't otherwise exist - admittedly i haven't looked that hard - has anyone else?

 

[tek-monkey]

I'm positive wikileaks have an agenda, can't be coincidence that the way the US think of our government as 'tards is leaked at the same time as Julian is holed up in the UK praying the US don't manage to get him extradited. I still admire what they do, but I don't see them as completely unbiased.

 

[Withnail]

In the light of the UK bowing down to the US over Gary McKinnon, it will sure enough be interesting to see what will happen with any extradition request from the states regarding Assange.

 

[Withnail]

Isn't Wikileaks the one doing the challenging at the moment? Aren't they the ones going against the government/corporate sponsored version of events?

This is getting even more embarrassing than the leaks themselves.

Why on earth should the Swedes oppose bail in this instance? TBF to the Swedes the crimes he is accused (key word here as it's unprecedented that someone should be issued a EAW to assist enquiries) of are taken seriously there, by all accounts, but to oppose bail on the back of them borders on the lunatic unless it can be explained some other way. Everyone will explain it in that way.

Mind you, he might be safer extradited to Sweden as it adds a layer of complexity to attempts to get him to the US.

 

[MyCult]

I heard today you can use Paypal to donate to the KKK and other extremists groups. Yes sir the yanks are certainly a screwed up nation.

Proves the above point & it contributes to the thread.

Funding illegal Israeli settlements? Priceless.

Visa, Mastercard and PayPal all enable donations to be made to US-registered groups funding illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank in defiance of international law.

It appears at least one of the major credit cards also enables donations to an extremist Jewish group that has placed a bounty on the lives of Palestinians.

Funding illegal Israeli settlements. Priceless.

Right, ^^ what is wrong w/ that link? Why isn't it displaying properly? What did I do wrong?




Admin edit: Looks like it was because of the line break in between the url tags, although usually this wouldn't break the link so maybe it was a non-standard control code that got picked up in the copy/paste.

 

[tek-monkey]

 

[Withnail]

Right, ^^ what is wrong w/ that link? Why isn't it displaying properly? What did I do wrong?

It's quite clearly a conspiracy, man.

"And what about Amazon's assertion that WikiLeaks "doesn't own or otherwise control" all the rights to the classified cables that it published? As Markus Kuhn, a computer security researcher at the Cambridge Computer Lab, pointed out to me, any work "prepared by an officer or employee of the US government as part of that person's official duties" is not entitled to domestic copyright protection under US law. So, in the US at least, the leaked cables are not protected by copyright and it doesn't matter whether WikiLeaks owns the rights or not."

"Yep. For years people have extolled cloud computing as the way of the future. The lesson of the last week is simple: be careful what you wish for."

"" is why. Twice.

 

[Gramaisc]

Funding illegal Israeli settlements.
Priceless.

Right, ^^ what is wrong w/ that link? Why isn't it displaying properly? What did I do wrong?

Indeed. It looks OK, even to me, and it does work if you cut and paste it into the address box..

 

[gdavies]

I personally think it is all forgive the word codswallop, "codswallop" just happens to be the best thing i can think of, forgive me if i am wrong here but is the internet not the birth child of Russia not the USA, I say this because was not the launch of sputnik a big screw you america so they then decided, so what we can make universities talk to each other without been in the same network area hence the internet. Which then strikes a new query if say just americans alone create something so big and have the power to shut it all down then what happens to stuff like nominet, whome i may point out got the name nic.uk, yet another network term we all need our nic cards, lets just leave that punn its geeky i know, But the point is they cover all .co.uk domain names, if you for example register put a domain name up that shows something un toward nominet step in an take the domain of you, which suggest to me other countries have a similar system in place, At the moment in time we are to supposedly believe the internet will come to a halt due to the americans are saying the computer says no. Here is what i believe if i have a broadband connection i have an ip address if i pay a little more i can have a static ip address, and if i pay a tad more i can have a second ip address, I personally have 3 for my house this way i know the websites i host work if not i switch to my own ip addresses, now what is in place for americans to stop people like me from running what i like, I was alys taught there is 7 layers to a network let alone the internet, surely if the uk have the strongest army in the world why should we back down on this. The internet was made to be free we have had free information way before wikileaks, just look at Kevin Mitnick. If i thought the internet was in danger i would of alerted customers we are now becoming a county obessed with is the internet going to work, ntl work on a 15yr old network using coax, trust when i say we have a few more years yet. although just my opinion does not affect others, apart from my spelling etc

 

[Withnail]

I heard today you can use Paypal to donate to the KKK and other extremists groups. Yes sir the yanks are certainly a screwed up nation.

Proves the above point & it contributes to the thread.

Funding illegal Israeli settlements? Priceless.

Visa, Mastercard and PayPal all enable donations to be made to US-registered groups funding illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank in defiance of international law.

It appears at least one of the major credit cards also enables donations to an extremist Jewish group that has placed a bounty on the lives of Palestinians.

Funding illegal Israeli settlements.
Priceless.

Right, ^^ what is wrong w/ that link? Why isn't it displaying properly? What did I do wrong?

Experiment.

 

[Withnail]

I personally think it is all, forgive the word, codswallop. "Codswallop" just happens to be the best thing I can think of. Forgive me if i am wrong here but is the internet not the birth-child of Russia, not the USA? I say this because was not the launch of Sputnik a big ‘screw you’ to America’?[citation needed]

So they then decided, “So what? We can make universities talk to each other without being in the same network area”, hence the internet.

Which then strikes a new query. If, say, just Americans alone create something so big, and have the power to shut it all down, then what happens to stuff like nominet and whome? I may point out I’ve got the name nic.uk, yet another network term we all need, our nic cards - lets just leave that pun, its geeky i know. The point is they cover all .co.uk domain names; if you, for example, register and put a domain name up that shows something untoward, nominet steps in and takes the domain off you, which suggests to me that other countries have a similar system in place.

At this moment in time we are supposed to believe that the internet will come to a halt due to the Americans saying that the computer says “No”. Here is what I believe. If i have a broadband connection, I have an IP address, if I pay a little more i can have a static IP address, and if I pay a tad more i can have a second IP address: I personally have 3 for my house this way and I know the websites I host work - if not i switch to my own IP addresses. (Is this right? Ed.)

Now, what is in place for Americans to stop people like me from running what i like? I was always taught that there are 7 layers to a network, let alone the internet. Surely if the UK has the strongest army in the world(Is this right? Ed.) why should we back down on this? The internet was made to be free; we have had free information way before Wikileaks, just look at Kevin Mitnick. If I thought the internet was in danger i would have alerted customers to the fact that we are now becoming a country obsessed with whether the internet is going to work. NTL work on a 15yr old network using ‘coax’ - trust me when i say we have a few more years yet.

Although this is just my opinion and does not affect others (apart from my spelling etc)

See what Scriveny can do for you.

 

[Withnail]

I personally think it is all forgive the word codswallop, "codswallop" just happens to be the best thing i can think of, forgive me if i am wrong here but is the internet not the birth child of Russia not the USA, I say this because was not the launch of sputnik a big screw you america so they then decided, so what we can make universities talk to each other without been in the same network area hence the internet. Which then strikes a new query if say just americans alone create something so big and have the power to shut it all down then what happens to stuff like nominet, whome i may point out got the name nic.uk, yet another network term we all need our nic cards, lets just leave that punn its geeky i know, But the point is they cover all .co.uk domain names, if you for example register put a domain name up that shows something un toward nominet step in an take the domain of you, which suggest to me other countries have a similar system in place, At the moment in time we are to supposedly believe the internet will come to a halt due to the americans are saying the computer says no. Here is what i believe if i have a broadband connection i have an ip address if i pay a little more i can have a static ip address, and if i pay a tad more i can have a second ip address, I personally have 3 for my house this way i know the websites i host work if not i switch to my own ip addresses, now what is in place for americans to stop people like me from running what i like, I was alys taught there is 7 layers to a network let alone the internet, surely if the uk have the strongest army in the world why should we back down on this. The internet was made to be free we have had free information way before wikileaks, just look at Kevin Mitnick. If i thought the internet was in danger i would of alerted customers we are now becoming a county obessed with is the internet going to work, ntl work on a 15yr old network using coax, trust when i say we have a few more years yet. although just my opinion does not affect others, apart from my spelling etc

I'd like to point out that i am in no way affiliated with Scriveny but was merely pointing out what they can do for you.

If you know what i mean. Sort of thing.

 

[gdavies]

I personally think it is all, forgive the word, codswallop. "Codswallop" just happens to be the best thing I can think of. Forgive me if i am wrong here but is the internet not the birth-child of Russia, not the USA? I say this because was not the launch of Sputnik a big ‘screw you’ to America’?[citation needed]

So they then decided, “So what? We can make universities talk to each other without being in the same network area”, hence the internet.

Which then strikes a new query. If, say, just Americans alone create something so big, and have the power to shut it all down, then what happens to stuff like nominet and whome? I may point out I’ve got the name nic.uk, yet another network term we all need, our nic cards - lets just leave that pun, its geeky i know. The point is they cover all .co.uk domain names; if you, for example, register and put a domain name up that shows something untoward, nominet steps in and takes the domain off you, which suggests to me that other countries have a similar system in place.

At this moment in time we are supposed to believe that the internet will come to a halt due to the Americans saying that the computer says “No”. Here is what I believe. If i have a broadband connection, I have an IP address, if I pay a little more i can have a static IP address, and if I pay a tad more i can have a second IP address: I personally have 3 for my house this way and I know the websites I host work - if not i switch to my own IP addresses. (Is this right? Ed.)

Now, what is in place for Americans to stop people like me from running what i like? I was always taught that there are 7 layers to a network, let alone the internet. Surely if the UK has the strongest army in the world(Is this right? Ed.) why should we back down on this? The internet was made to be free; we have had free information way before Wikileaks, just look at Kevin Mitnick. If I thought the internet was in danger i would have alerted customers to the fact that we are now becoming a country obsessed with whether the internet is going to work. NTL work on a 15yr old network using ‘coax’ - trust me when i say we have a few more years yet.

Although this is just my opinion and does not affect others (apart from my spelling etc)

See what Scriveny can do for you.

it was not so much of look what i have learnt from my comptia+ blah blah blah, it was more of trying to educate people in a short simple way. and yes this was a simple as i could put it, this way i have tried to put it in chunks etc, my aim was not to get tips on any sort of essay as i know how to setup networks as i knew this before i started my course a while ago. re read do you seriously think the internet is over for britain

 

[Withnail]

re read do you seriously think the internet is over for britain

I wouldn't have the first idea.

I do hope you don't think i was in any way deriding what you said - far from it. I was just trying to put it in a more readable form. I got most of what you were saying, apart from the

what happens to stuff like nominet and whome? I may point out I’ve got the name nic.uk, yet another network term we all need, our nic cards - lets just leave that pun, its geeky i know.

bit. To me this whole ethernet thing

It is comforting to know that the bastards do not have the wherewithal to grind us down.

Yet.

 

[gdavies]

Withnail i do send my sorries i do not intend to baffle people, Basically this whole thing in my mind is a scare monger to make people stop looking at political errors and use the net as they see fit, what in turn is going to happen is that people are going to mis read the whole thing as they see fit.

 

[Withnail]

I worry about exactly the same thing.

The pen failed to be mightier than the sword - will the net be so?

I do hope so.

 

[gdavies]

I worry about exactly the same thing.

The pen failed to be mightier than the sword - will the net be so?

I do hope so.

it is hard to say time will tell due to my pm, others reading this a heavy workout has rendered me incomplete of finishing this, will write more when my arms ache less

 

[United57]

The Interent scares governements because in many ways it allows people to question because they have an abundance of opinions and views to consider. People look at a variety of sources. Even Sky has 10 differing news channels.

BT run a lot of the Internet on copper more than 15 years old.

 

[gdavies]

The Interent scares governements because in many ways it allows people to question because they have an abundance of opinions and views to consider. People look at a variety of sources. Even Sky has 10 differing news channels.

BT run a lot of the Internet on copper more than 15 years old.

I totally agree with regards to the equipment i was refering to with virgin was they use internally, bt use up to date methods internally yes the cable on the way to use is way over 30years old, but inside i am sure they do upgrade. besides the point, I personally feel it will be a long time before the UK has a giant firewall to stop us going on certain sites, Plus there is no way to monitor the sites they want to block