Greyfriars Prayer Hall

littleme said:

I'm thinking of starting a thread complaining about people who don't believe in any religion & are quite happy to let everyone just get on with believing whatever they want to.

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PeterD said:

There is a movement, if you can call it that, I believe its called happy atheists, or some such. Essentially people who do not believe in god, or the bible or religion, but respect people’s choices and belief system, live and indeed, let live. I am one of those. That man shouting about gods glory on a high street, that’s up to him, he can do that, its not going to change my view. Jehovahs witnesses at my door, they will get a good morning, possibly even a good natured conversation. Similarly friends of mine who are hindu, sikh and muslim. I will question them on their beliefs but in a respectful way, they know my thoughts and I have no reason to offend them by being disrespectful. Religion, not once, ever has ever harmed me or impacted on my life.

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John Marwood said:

I have a question

Notts Forest v Leeds ..

Worth a bet on a score draw?

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littleme said:

Hello @Varius welcome to the forum

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Varius said:

When I first saw this thread I was bracing myself for what i might read on here but its nice to see not all people are narrow minded twats. FYI I am a Muslim woman.
Sometimes understanding something or just asking a question even though you may not agree with it at all, saves yourself from looking a bit daft.
I personally have only been to this prayer hall once as its not compulsory for a woman to go so I just do my daily prayers at home. Without going on too much Islam gave women rights over 1400 years ago I promise you we are not suffering LOL. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I'm happy to answer with the little knowledge I have.

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kyoto49 said:

Welcome. I don't know any Muslims.

What I'd like to know is how Mosques get away with making women and men pray seperately in this country where we have equality laws? What would happen if women wanted to pray in the mens section of the Mosque?? Why do Muslim women tolerate this? Personally I feel this is discriminatory to women and wrong in a country with equality for women.

My other question, which bothers me alot, is this. Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but there is a ridiculous amount of murder committed in the name of Islam. Why is this? And why are these peace loving Islamic nations prone to so much violence? I cant think of an islamic nation that is genuinely peaceful, bar maybe Turkey, and I suspect Turkey is stable because it is so secular. Further, Why is it that whereever Muslims move in Europe conflict arises? Holland, France, Germany, all have big problems with their Muslim immigrants and communities, even here in England. Certainly the Muslim community seem to struggle to integrate and are more intolerant that say Hindu or Sikh immigrants who integrate far better. Why is this?

Well you did ask if we had any questions?

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kyoto49 said:

Welcome. I don't know any Muslims.

What I'd like to know is how Mosques get away with making women and men pray seperately in this country where we have equality laws? What would happen if women wanted to pray in the mens section of the Mosque?? Why do Muslim women tolerate this? Personally I feel this is discriminatory to women and wrong in a country with equality for women.

My other question, which bothers me alot, is this. Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but there is a ridiculous amount of murder committed in the name of Islam. Why is this? And why are these peace loving Islamic nations prone to so much violence? I cant think of an islamic nation that is genuinely peaceful, bar maybe Turkey, and I suspect Turkey is stable because it is so secular. Further, Why is it that whereever Muslims move in Europe conflict arises? Holland, France, Germany, all have big problems with their Muslim immigrants and communities, even here in England. Certainly the Muslim community seem to struggle to integrate and are more intolerant that say Hindu or Sikh immigrants who integrate far better. Why is this?

Well you did ask if we had any questions?

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kyoto49 said:

Welcome. I don't know any Muslims.

What I'd like to know is how Mosques get away with making women and men pray seperately in this country where we have equality laws? What would happen if women wanted to pray in the mens section of the Mosque?? Why do Muslim women tolerate this? Personally I feel this is discriminatory to women and wrong in a country with equality for women.

My other question, which bothers me alot, is this. Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but there is a ridiculous amount of murder committed in the name of Islam. Why is this? And why are these peace loving Islamic nations prone to so much violence? I cant think of an islamic nation that is genuinely peaceful, bar maybe Turkey, and I suspect Turkey is stable because it is so secular. Further, Why is it that whereever Muslims move in Europe conflict arises? Holland, France, Germany, all have big problems with their Muslim immigrants and communities, even here in England. Certainly the Muslim community seem to struggle to integrate and are more intolerant that say Hindu or Sikh immigrants who integrate far better. Why is this?

Well you did ask if we had any questions?

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PeterD said:

There is so much wrong with this its difficult to know where to start.

OK, lets start at the beginning, Muslims struggle to integrate, but you dont know any, I know loads, I got a Christmas present off one this year, he isn't "struggling to integrate", as you don't know any, maybe the problem isn't them?

How do Muslims get away with separate areas in mosques for men and women, unsure, monasteries, nunneries, Judaism, Buddhism and even segregation amongst some christian sects have this. How do they get away with it, as the people that it actually effects arent concerned, its used as a method to criticise by people it doesnt actually effect in any way.

Now we come to the so called peaceful religion, you know spree killings, of which there are many, I think in the us alone this year there was over 50, the overriding religion of the perpetrators was christian, this is neither here nor there, as even if the guilty said they were doing it in the name of god, we would think they were bat shit mental as we know the bible says dont kill, its bad, we would just put it down to batshit mentalists choosing to interpret something and being out of step with the wider christian population, we wouldnt expect other christians to apologise on their behalf and we wouldnt accept they truly represented the religion. ISIS/ISIL Daesh are the bat shit mentalists looking to create a doomsday scenario that is out of step with islam, they do not represent the overwhelming majority of peaceful muslims.

"Why is it that whereever Muslims move in Europe conflict arises? Holland, France, Germany, all have big problems with their Muslim immigrants and communities, even here in England. " Please, please stop reading the sun and the daily mail, this is utter bullshit.

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Floss67 said:

Really?

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kyoto49 said:

I don;t read the Sun or The Mail, I read the Guardian. Are you saying France doesn't have problems with the integration of the Muslims that live there?

@Varius asked if we had any questions. These are the questions I had, Nothing to do with what newspaper I read, just questions I'd like to try and understand the answer to more. I didn't want the answers from some presumably white male Staffordian, but from the Muslim lady who kindly offered to answer questions.

You can quote examples of peaceful Muslims all you like, But I can name loads of Christian countries who live peacefully in this world. I'm struggling to think of many peaceful Muslim ones, and there must be a reason for this, hence my questions. If you wish to take my questions as aimed at the individuals concerned then crack on, I'm not arsed, but you'd be wrong.

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PeterD said:

White males from stafford can be muslim. Regardless off the top of my head largely peaceful muslim countries, algeria, turkey, uae, saudi, these live in the same relative peace that western countries have.

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PeterD said:

There is so much wrong with this its difficult to know where to start.

OK, lets start at the beginning, Muslims struggle to integrate, but you dont know any, I know loads, I got a Christmas present off one this year, he isn't "struggling to integrate", as you don't know any, maybe the problem isn't them?

How do Muslims get away with separate areas in mosques for men and women, unsure, monasteries, nunneries, Judaism, Buddhism and even segregation amongst some christian sects have this. How do they get away with it, as the people that it actually effects arent concerned, its used as a method to criticise by people it doesnt actually effect in any way.

Now we come to the so called peaceful religion, you know spree killings, of which there are many, I think in the us alone this year there was over 50, the overriding religion of the perpetrators was christian, this is neither here nor there, as even if the guilty said they were doing it in the name of god, we would think they were bat shit mental as we know the bible says dont kill, its bad, we would just put it down to batshit mentalists choosing to interpret something and being out of step with the wider christian population, we wouldnt expect other christians to apologise on their behalf and we wouldnt accept they truly represented the religion. ISIS/ISIL Daesh are the bat shit mentalists looking to create a doomsday scenario that is out of step with islam, they do not represent the overwhelming majority of peaceful muslims.

"Why is it that whereever Muslims move in Europe conflict arises? Holland, France, Germany, all have big problems with their Muslim immigrants and communities, even here in England. " Please, please stop reading the sun and the daily mail, this is utter bullshit.

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kyoto49 said:

Welcome. I don't know any Muslims.

What I'd like to know is how Mosques get away with making women and men pray seperately in this country where we have equality laws? What would happen if women wanted to pray in the mens section of the Mosque?? Why do Muslim women tolerate this? Personally I feel this is discriminatory to women and wrong in a country with equality for women.

My other question, which bothers me alot, is this. Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but there is a ridiculous amount of murder committed in the name of Islam. Why is this? And why are these peace loving Islamic nations prone to so much violence? I cant think of an islamic nation that is genuinely peaceful, bar maybe Turkey, and I suspect Turkey is stable because it is so secular. Further, Why is it that whereever Muslims move in Europe conflict arises? Holland, France, Germany, all have big problems with their Muslim immigrants and communities, even here in England. Certainly the Muslim community seem to struggle to integrate and are more intolerant that say Hindu or Sikh immigrants who integrate far better. Why is this?

Well you did ask if we had any questions?

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