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littleme
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@kyoto49
Central African Republic is another contender...
www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/01/un-muslims-ethnically-cleansed-car-2015196546788288.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
Central African Republic is another contender...
www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/01/un-muslims-ethnically-cleansed-car-2015196546788288.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
tek-monkey
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They can't actually be muslims though, as what they do contradicts their own religion? So what you have is twats, the religion they pretend to associate with is irrelevant as they do not follow those religious teachings.
littleme
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Infact @kyoto49 , just read this for a list of Christian atrocitys ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
....far to many to mention, & still happening every day...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
....far to many to mention, & still happening every day...
tek-monkey
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What, the Americans routinely bomb each other in the US? I know they have issues with gun control but I didn't realise it was akin to what Muslims are doing to each other in Syria. Sounds bad, I'll stay away from the US if it's like that. Weird that the neither BBC nor Al Jazeera news hasn't picked up on this though
They certainly routinely kill each other, but just for shits and giggles luckily. The news stays out of it because unless it's black on black it doesn't count, white on white is always an unfortunate incident by a lone Wolf irrespective of beliefs.
tek-monkey
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But back to the relevant question, if I do something and blame it on a fake belief, is what I pretend to believe in at fault?What, the Americans routinely bomb each other in the US? I know they have issues with gun control but I didn't realise it was akin to what Muslims are doing to each other in Syria. Sounds bad, I'll stay away from the US if it's like that. Weird that the neither BBC nor Al Jazeera news hasn't picked up on this though
kyoto49
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I'm not sure all those Muslim martyrs would agree with you!!
kyoto49
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The thing is, nowhere have I said other religions don't have issues or followers of other religions don;t do terrible things, they clearly do. My point, given that this is the Muslim prayer hall thread, was trying to understand why Islam has so many issues in the modern world.
kyoto49
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I still fail to see how US gun law induced killings equals what is occuring in Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan :/ . We don't appear to have up to 1 million 'refugees' a year entering Europe illegally from the US do we, and neither does Canada !!
tek-monkey
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And if I burned your house down in the name of jesus I wouldn't agree with me either. Still pretty clear that unless you are so narrow minded that you take the parts of a religion you like while ignoring all the bits you don't and still pretend you are faithful then you aren't really a follower. You're just a twat with a grudge, massive difference.
You seen these bastards?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1041417829266948&id=722772297798171
Coming over here, feeding our poor when our own government couldn't give a shit. Bloody muslims!
tek-monkey
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Before we liberated the middle east we didn't either?
And it's not just religion that motivates extremism. Nazi Germany and the numerous Communist countries repressed religion but used genocide to further their aims and led to 10's of millions of people to be killed in the 20th century. Rather than blame a particular religion we should isolate and tackle extremism in all forms.
I may be wrong but I believe Britain's success over the past 300 years has been based on it's rejection of taking an extremist course such as in mainland Europe and the fact that it wears it's religion lightly. We are a tolerant Nation that accepts that people are free to believe in their religious and political beliefs but at the same time is concerned of radical beliefs.
kyoto49
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I fear you have little understanding of what Muslim extremists believe in. They most certainly are killing people in the name of Allah, and they most certainly do believe they are Muslims. Do you think the murders of those poor innocent Parisians, or the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, or the murderers of Theo Van Gogh in Holland, or the murder of the soldiers in Woolwich, or the fatwa applied by millions of Muslims on Salman Rushdie is pretend Islam or something? From the murderer of Theo van Gogh:
At his trial, Bouyeri was unrepentant -- and absolutely clear about why he murdered van Gogh. “I did what I did purely out my beliefs,” he explained, Qur’an in hand. “I want you to know that I acted out of conviction and not that I took his life because he was Dutch or because I was Moroccan and felt insulted…. If I ever get free, I would do it again.” He was, he said, acting in accord with Islamic law: “What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith. I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet.”
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1080
kyoto49
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I don't take certain bits and ignore other. I completely get that most Muslims are tolerant of others, but to deny Extremists who murder in the name of Allah aren't Muslims is just wrong. It's like saying Ctholic priests who abuse little boys aren't proper Catholics. of course they're Catholics. it doesn't mean all Catholics abuse little boys, but no-one can deny it. Just like no-one can deny that Muslim etremists are Muslims, they are, and everything they spout can be justified by passages from the Quran.
kyoto49
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I'm pretty sure we left Syria to get on with it up to a certain point, the point where they started killing thousands of innocent civilians who then all fled to safety overseas. We've only recently bombed Syria iirc. Pretty sure Afghanistan has been a tribal war zone for hundreds of years........
joshua
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What ISIS Really Wants
The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
tek-monkey
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But their actions blatantly preclude them from being true followers of that religion. You can't be an indiscriminate murderer and still pretend to be muslim as that is at odds with the teachings.
If I said jesus told me to shag a child up the arse is jesus at fault? Or am I for being such a fucktard? Cos that's the distinction here, is a Catholic priest responsible for being a paedo or are catholics to blame for not stopping priests from being pedophiles? You are saying the religion is at fault, even if the religion doesn't teach the actions that those being dicks are doing?
If I said jesus told me to shag a child up the arse is jesus at fault? Or am I for being such a fucktard? Cos that's the distinction here, is a Catholic priest responsible for being a paedo or are catholics to blame for not stopping priests from being pedophiles? You are saying the religion is at fault, even if the religion doesn't teach the actions that those being dicks are doing?
kyoto49
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It's hard to find web sites that aren't rather EDL for my liking to provide evidence, but this one seems to provide a reasonable argument to back up my point:
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
Gramaisc
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And Deuteronomy 13:5 gives 'us' the duty to put to death any false prophet, apparently.
That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Other translations may be available.
That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Other translations may be available.