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Indonesia seems to be doing relatively well, post Suharto, but i can't say i keep 'up' on the situation there overmuch so it may well be totally fecked up. Last time i checked there were more Muslims there than anywhere else. Having said that there was the Bali malarkey some moments ago, so i may be wrong

You don't hear that much from Morocco or Malaysia, and they are quite Islamic, though this may be simply because no Brits have died there recently.

I shall try and think of some questions, @Varius , welcome aboard. :)
 
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Varius said:
If anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I'm happy to answer with the little knowledge I have.
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It would be lovely to have a dedicated thread along these lines, perhaps in the 'General Chat' sort of arena, but obviously this is quite a lot to ask.

Working on the principal of 'you don't ask, you don't get' - would that be something you would be cool with?
 
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I made an half-hearted attempt at reading an online Qur'an once - was quite taken aback that on the very first page i was told not to take whatever wife i may have by the proverbial 'back door'.

Being more used to about 94 pages of 'begats' i thought it refreshingly to the point so early on, yet could not quite believer that was really front page material, and doubted somewhat the veracity of the link to which i'd clicked.

Have been meaning to get my hands on a 'hard' copy for some time, some sort of definitive translation, that sort of thing.

Am unconvinced it would be a particularly fruitful use of my time.
 
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kyoto49 said:
Welcome. I don't know any Muslims.

What I'd like to know is how Mosques get away with making women and men pray seperately in this country where we have equality laws? What would happen if women wanted to pray in the mens section of the Mosque?? Why do Muslim women tolerate this? Personally I feel this is discriminatory to women and wrong in a country with equality for women.

My other question, which bothers me alot, is this. Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but there is a ridiculous amount of murder committed in the name of Islam. Why is this? And why are these peace loving Islamic nations prone to so much violence? I cant think of an islamic nation that is genuinely peaceful, bar maybe Turkey, and I suspect Turkey is stable because it is so secular. Further, Why is it that whereever Muslims move in Europe conflict arises? Holland, France, Germany, all have big problems with their Muslim immigrants and communities, even here in England. Certainly the Muslim community seem to struggle to integrate and are more intolerant that say Hindu or Sikh immigrants who integrate far better. Why is this?

Well you did ask if we had any questions?
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Words fail me, some people have no self awareness !
 
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Withnail said:
I made an half-hearted attempt at reading an online Qur'an once - was quite taken aback that on the very first page i was told not to take whatever wife i may have by the proverbial 'back door'.

Being more used to about 94 pages of 'begats' i thought it refreshingly to the point so early on, yet could not quite believer that was really front page material, and doubted somewhat the veracity of the link to which i'd clicked.

Have been meaning to get my hands on a 'hard' copy for some time, some sort of definitive translation, that sort of thing.

Am unconvinced it would be a particularly fruitful use of my time.
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I made an attempt once, tried reading all of the major holy books and struggled with them all, not because I disagree with them all, which I do, in equal measure, but they are quite heavy going.
 
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Withnail said:
It would be lovely to have a dedicated thread along these lines, perhaps in the 'General Chat' sort of arena, but obviously this is quite a lot to ask.

Working on the principal of 'you don't ask, you don't get' - would that be something you would be cool with?
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great idea :)
 
kyoto49

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Varius said:
Of course I dont mind, no need to feel like this would offend me? everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how narrow minded it may be. So to address your first question - Islam doesn't forbid men and women praying together its just over the years more and more mosques had decided to have a separate entrance for women so there is no mingling with men they do not know, simply just a respect thing. Hope your mind is now at ease as you seemed terribly concerned about this, bless you. Why dont you go to the prayer hall one day i think you would be pleasantly surprised.
Instead of reading the Dailymail or gathering nonsense from the internet I suggest you should get your self a Quran and read on what Islam really is about. I cannot stress enough how these terrorists are FAR FAR FAR from Muslim. it actually angers me so much that they use my religion to commit mass murder. they are simply brainwashed deluded psychopaths.

“…if any one killed a person, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind…” - The Holy Quran (Chapter Five, Verse 32).

the rest of your questions are just ignorant so I will leave it at that.
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Thanks for taking the time.

I'm not ignorant
 
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kyoto49 said:
My other question, which bothers me alot, is this. Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, but there is a ridiculous amount of murder committed in the name of Islam. Why is this?
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Let's be clear here - you may genuinely not believe your views are racist, and I'm inclined to hope for the best - but you are horrendously misinformed. There is far more violence committed in the name of Christianity than any other religion. For a recent media exposed example, take the Christian gunmen who shot up and abortion clinic in america last month because it was ungodly.

There are mass shootings regularly in America which are often done in the name of god to kill perceived 'sinners'. There are still area's in america where if you are openly gay you will be beaten or worse, because they believe it is not god's will.
 
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Frontal said:
Let's be clear here - you may genuinely not believe your views are racist, and I'm inclined to hope for the best - but you are horrendously misinformed. There is far more violence committed in the name of Christianity than any other religion. For a recent media exposed example, take the Christian gunmen who shot up and abortion clinic in america last month because it was ungodly.

There are mass shootings regularly in America which are often done in the name of god to kill perceived 'sinners'. There are still area's in america where if you are openly gay you will be beaten or worse, because they believe it is not god's will.
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Firstly Islam is not a race, and if speaking out about horrors done in the name of religion is racist then so be it, all religions, not just Islam. For too long in this country we've been too scared to speak out on issues and problems with certain religions for fear of being accused of being racist and as a consequence terrible crimes have subsequently occurred (see Rotherham child abuse for exhibit A)

Yemen,
Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan

Can you name 4 other countries currently of any other religion where civilians are routinely killed and bombed by people of their own religion? Denying there is a problem with Islam in this world is deluded, at best. That does not make me a racist, just a realist. Further, it does not mean that I think all Muslims are extemists, but some of them most certainly are, and I'd rather the problem was discussed than politial correctness preventing such occuring for fear of being labelled racist.
 
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kyoto49 said:
Firstly Islam is not a race, and if speaking out about horrors done in the name of religion is racist then so be it, all religions, not just Islam. For too long in this country we've been too scared to speak out on issues and problems with certain religions for fear of being accused of being racist and as a consequence terrible crimes have subsequently occurred (see Rotherham child abuse for exhibit A)

Yemen,
Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan

Can you name 4 other countries currently of any other religion where civilians are routinely killed and bombed by people of their own religion? Denying there is a problem with Islam in this world is deluded, at best. That does not make me a racist, just a realist. Further, it does not mean that I think all Muslims are extemists, but some of them most certainly are, and I'd rather the problem was discussed than politial correctness preventing such occuring for fear of being labelled racist.
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its not religions that are the problem, its people who are clearly mentally unstable and commit horrendous crimes in the name of religion. NO religion condones killing innocent men/women/children, raping them, beheading, or burning them alive. ALL a major sin in any religion. These extremists that you talk about are not Muslims - just psychos on a mission.
 
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Saying muslims breed terrorism means by the same token Christians breed pedophiles. We know there is a proven history of priests taking any little boy they can find roughly up the cloister, but nobody wants to ban priests?

The Irish have been very quiet since 2001 haven't they.
 
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kyoto49 said:
Can you name 4 other countries currently of any other religion where civilians are routinely killed and bombed by people of their own religion?
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Well an obvious start is America?

Here's a question, if I popped round one night and torched your house claiming jesus told me to, am I at fault or other people who believe in jesus? Jesus doesn't promote setting fire to houses, but if say I'm doing it in his name then it must be his fault?
 
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Well an obvious start is America?

Here's a question, if I popped round one night and torched your house claiming jesus told me to, am I at fault or other people who believe in jesus? Jesus doesn't promote setting fire to houses, but if say I'm doing it in his name then it must be his fault?
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There's some pretty extreme stuff in the Old Testament that some psycho could probably quote to justify far worse.
 
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tek-monkey said:
Saying muslims breed terrorism means by the same token Christians breed pedophiles. We know there is a proven history of priests taking any little boy they can find roughly up the cloister, but nobody wants to ban priests?

The Irish have been very quiet since 2001 haven't they.
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Well it's a good job I never said that then isn't it. I said there were some extremist Muslims, I never used the word 'breed', you did. There are extremist Muslims, that is a fact, not a racist opinion.
 
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tek-monkey said:
Well an obvious start is America?

Here's a question, if I popped round one night and torched your house claiming jesus told me to, am I at fault or other people who believe in jesus? Jesus doesn't promote setting fire to houses, but if say I'm doing it in his name then it must be his fault?
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What, the Americans routinely bomb each other in the US? I know they have issues with gun control but I didn't realise it was akin to what Muslims are doing to each other in Syria. Sounds bad, I'll stay away from the US if it's like that. Weird that the neither BBC nor Al Jazeera news hasn't picked up on this though :(
 
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Extremists are widely available - even violent Buddhist extremists, for God's sake! - should anybody need one - Myanmar seems to be the place for them.
 
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