Coronavirus.

Thehooperman

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No not in prison. protective isolation should only be a voluntary measure for those with a low-risk tolerance threshold.
People are tired of lockdown restrictions which is why compliance is falling for some individuals. If the lockdown never happened and we stuck to easy to comply with hygiene distance measures. Lockdown fatigue would not be kicking in now. The easier something is to follow the better it will be followed. You seem to be forgetting lockdown is not risk-free people have died because of the lockdown measures. it is a high-cost measure whereas hygiene distance measures are low cost. There isn't a perfect solution to this but we can minimise the cost society will pay.

I don’t think lockdown is a valid reason for some idiots to blatantly flaunt the protection measures that we should all be abiding to.

The selfless, let’s all help each other behaviours that we saw during lockdown have totally disappeared by the actions of the selfish idiots that have super immunity powers and don’t give a toss about anyone other than themselves.
 

cj1

Well-Known Forumite
Yes, I don't agree with it but I understand. I'm trying my best to keep hands face space up. These are Low-cost measures that work. These low-cost measures will keep the pandemic to manageable levels and below the surge capacity of our health care systems.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
No not in prison. protective isolation should only be a voluntary measure for those with a low-risk tolerance threshold.
People are tired of lockdown restrictions which is why compliance is falling for some individuals. If the lockdown never happened and we stuck to easy to comply with hygiene distance measures. Lockdown fatigue would not be kicking in now. The easier something is to follow the better it will be followed. You seem to be forgetting lockdown is not risk-free people have died because of the lockdown measures. it is a high-cost measure whereas hygiene distance measures are low cost. There isn't a perfect solution to this but we can minimise the cost society will pay.
BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE REFUSING TO COMPLY WITH THE HYGIENE AND DISTANCING MEASURES.

That is the problem.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Yes, I don't agree with it but I understand. I'm trying my best to keep hands face space up. These are Low-cost measures that work. These low-cost measures will keep the pandemic to manageable levels and below the surge capacity of our health care systems.
But they aren't are they.
 

rudie111

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Yes, I don't agree with it but I understand. I'm trying my best to keep hands face space up. These are Low-cost measures that work. These low-cost measures will keep the pandemic to manageable levels and below the surge capacity of our health care systems.

Going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We're back into exponential growth with the measure we have in place already. Going back to social distancing and hand washing alone at this stage will only increase the rate
 
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cj1

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Going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We're back into exponential growth with the measure we have in place already. Going back to social distancing and hand washing alone at this will will only increase the rate
Unfortunately the recent growths can't be explained through increased testing. It could be caused as a result of the first lockdown which delay cases rather than prevents them. Unfortunately, our spring-summer lockdown looks to of pushed cases in to autumn winter let's just hope it dosn't clash with a bad winter flu season
 

Mudgie

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Have these not been introduced already?

For quite a considerable amount of time now?

Do you think it's working?

Because I don't.

A sizeable proportion of people can't be bothered to follow them and don't give a stuff as to the consequences. So your solution basically involves imprisoning, sorry isolating, people like my elderly parents for the rest of their days, preventing them from seeing family and friends.

As long as the selfish bastard can carry on doing whatever they want that's ok though, isn't it.
But sadly being a "selfish bastard" is nothing new and many don't now see flouting coronavirus restrictions as much different from tax avoidance or exceeding the speed limit.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
But sadly being a "selfish bastard" is nothing new and many don't now see flouting coronavirus restrictions as much different from tax avoidance or exceeding the speed limit.
Sadly being a selfish bastard appears to be a Europe wide problem at the moment, not just Brit related.
 

Thehooperman

Well-Known Forumite
I see the overwhelming majority complying with the measures. The none compiler have been in the minority.
Lockdown's that people call for are not proven to be an effective longterm strategy.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...in-more-covid-19-deaths-study-claims-12098766

It only takes one idiot to infect hundreds so yes it may be a minority not complying but they will infect many with the "I don't give a shit about social distancing and respect!" attitudes being displayed by such minorities.
 
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cj1

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It only takes one idiot to infect hundreds so yes it may be a minority not complying but they will infect many with the "I don't give a shit about social distancing and respect!" attitudes being displayed by such minorities.
The current Rt is approximately 1.2 and the R0 is approximately 3. Yes, these are cases we can definitely do without but it's incredibly unlikely a selfish individual will infect hundreds.
Especially when as soon as their infection is picked up they are forced into effective house arrest by reasonable force if necessary. Preventing any further mixing with the population until their infectivity period has passed.
 

Thehooperman

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The current Rt is approximately 1.2 and the R0 is approximately 3. Yes, these are cases we can definitely do without but it's incredibly unlikely a selfish individual will infect hundreds.
Especially when as soon as their infection is picked up they are forced into effective house arrest by reasonable force if necessary. Preventing any further mixing with the population until their infectivity period has passed.

Effective house arrest!!! Do you seriously believe they will comply with that?
 

cj1

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Yes, most of the population will. £1,000 and £10,000 fine will increase the level of compliance of the wavers, most will do it anyway as decent human beings. There recently was an mp who flouted quarantine rules but believe she was in the very small minority.
 

proactive

Enjoying a drop of red.
Yes, most of the population will. £1,000 and £10,000 fine will increase the level of compliance of the wavers, most will do it anyway as decent human beings. There recently was an mp who flouted quarantine rules but believe she was in the very small minority.
Fines are only a deterrent if there's a reasonable possibility of being caught. Which there isn't.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
Someone I know has just come out of a fourteen day sentence - nobody even rang up to see if she was in.

It amazes me how hard some people seem think all this is - especially as a lot of the same people will bang on about 'the war' all the time - when you couldn't leave your house without your gas mask for six years - plus rationing, the blackout, some economic distress and the odd bomb, although it took the Germans six years to kill 60,000 on the island.

It's an interesting experiment to imagine this happening 10, 20, 30 & 40 years ago with the facilities that you had available to you at those times - online shopping, internet banking, communications technology in general, rather more than two TV channels, three radio stations and a few records to entertain you...

I'm glad it waited until now.
 

rudie111

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The current Rt is approximately 1.2 and the R0 is approximately 3. Yes, these are cases we can definitely do without but it's incredibly unlikely a selfish individual will infect hundreds.
Especially when as soon as their infection is picked up they are forced into effective house arrest by reasonable force if necessary. Preventing any further mixing with the population until their infectivity period has passed.

So R is current 1.2 and you want to relax measures?
 
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