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Coronavirus.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tilly, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. The Hawk

    The Hawk Well-Known Forumite

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    The government should have concentrated on enforcing the basic rules, rather than creating a complex maze of rules that are being largely ignored.
     
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    There are differences in handling and supply of the vaccines. Oxford-AstraZeneca can be kept at ordinary fridge temperatures, is easy to store and most NHS sites have facilities to keep it. The Moderna vaccine needs to be kept in at a standard freezer temperature, again transport and storage facilities are widely available. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine needs to be kept at -30 degrees C and there are much fewer transport and storage facilities that can maintain that.

    Are any of them ready to be approved yet? The results quoted so far have been the first interim reports of Stage 3 testing, they should go through the 2nd interim and final reports before approval. And are there adequate supplies of vials, syringes, needles ...
     
  3. Gramaisc

    Gramaisc Forum O. G.

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    I've seen the storage temperature quoted in a few places as -70°C, which is a good bit more awkward, if it's true.
     
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    It was also mentioned on telly last night, that it can only be moved a maximum of 4 times as well , so that's why it's most likely going to be used in hospitals .
    With hubby working from home , his job making sure the orders are contract reviewed and supplied on time (and my inside information from ear-wigging his phone calls ;) )..... Orders flooding in for them from distributors all around the world. They are under a lot of pressure to meet the dates required , but are working flat out to achieve these dates..
     
  5. Bob

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    The Eldest child been told to isolate, so now for 2 weeks stuck at home with my darling daughter who seems to have all of a sudden turned into ‘Kevin the teenager’ just as we come out of lockdown.

    Best thing is that the email came as she walked through the door after getting on the bus that services three separate schools.
     
  6. Lucy

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    3 out of the 4 school age children my teammates have are at home.

    Makes the mixing at Christmas thing even more bonkers...
     
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    Is all a crayyzy bonkers innit.
     
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  8. Withnail

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    Pfizer and Moderna use m(odified)RNA tech - RNA doesn't like warmth.

    Pfizer/etc needs -70° storage to point of distribution - most Hospitals, and many Universities for that matter, have this capacity already. Transport is an issue. Not a fabulous option for delivery to sub-Saharan Africa though.

    Moderna needs -20° storage, which is basically a commercial freezer, and can also be transferred to a fridge - ie <5° - for a few days and still be active. Reaches parts that Pfizer does not.

    AZ/Oxford uses more established tech, and only needs fridge temps for storage, so despite headline lower efficacy will probably end up being more useful. Reaches parts that neither of the above do.

    There is much to be hopeful about, don't forget that.
     
  9. Lucy

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    So the Pfizer one has been approved. Apparently it can be stored in a fridge for a few days - maybe they've been testing it whilst awaiting authorisation.
     
  10. The Hawk

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    Stafford just in the top 20 for over 60s with the virus:
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    Makes sense really, stafford has a aging population etc and there's enough care homes

    Still a little surprising mind we're only a town
     
  12. Mudgie

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    But Stafford's above Bournemouth.
     
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    On a lighter note, some people are having a lot of fun with video mixes of totally nuts crackpot tv evangelist Kenneth Copeland and his ‘attack’ on Covid19 . . .

     
  14. proactive

    proactive Enjoying a drop of red.

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    Another example of why America shouldn't be in charge of a Playdough party, never mind the 'Free World'.

    Nutters and psychos, the whole bloody lot of them.
     
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    Give them Playdough and at some point someone will manage to convince enough of them to shove it up their nose and in their ears
     
  16. Withnail

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    Has the Pfizer vaccine approval been 'rushed' ?

    How does a vaccine normally get to your arm?

    Let's look at this answer given by someone with experience in the field..

    This is what i mean when i say you have to choose who you trust -

    So, drug trials are generally delayed by the following things:

    * this is particularly pertinent in the development of the Oxford vaccine - this had initially been developed for SARS-Cov-1, but by the time the vaccine was ready to roll out SARS had extinguished itself*

    And then negotiations over cost to the NHS etc that could otherwise add months if not years to the process. Again not an issue in this instance.

    If you are going to be an objectionable... person, you could of course latch on to the 'what-about-the-long-term-effects' angle. You will probably be uninspired by the fact that this will be monitored - seeing as this vaccine, and any subsequent ones, will be given a 'temporary' emergency licence, that could be withdrawn immediately if necessary.

    But if i need to tell you that you need to vaccinate yourself, and you are going to ignore me, then i don't know what else i need to say to you.

    What do i need to say to you? I cannot stress enough how important it is that you trust me on this.

    AMA
     
  17. Cue

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    I for one have never been more excited to have someone poke a needle into my arm
     
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    proactive Enjoying a drop of red.

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    Be a very long time before they get round to young'uns like you...
     
  19. Thehooperman

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    Today's post included a begging letter from the OU saying that many OU students were at breaking point and asking for donations!!

    Whilst I appreciate that people are genuinely struggling at the moment I would suggest there are far more deserving causes than supporting OU students who generally tend to be in employment, established in their careers and home life and can afford to pay for the courses themselves.

    During my studies with the OU I can't recall anyone who seemed to be strapped for cash even if some did have long pockets when it came to buying a round or splitting a food bill.
     
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  20. Cue

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    Yeah, I know :(
     

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