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Cue

Cue

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Lockdown is not to prevent spread, it’s to protect the NHS and the vulnerable - preventing spread is just a means to that end. I honestly can’t see any scenario where the public will in any amount tolerate and obey a fourth lockdown. Nor will they lockdown if people aren’t being hospitalised anyway, at some point this is just going to become something we deal with like the flu, whether we like it or not eradication isn’t an option.

Besides: Unless we totally mess up the vaccine distribution how exactly is a scenario where we need to lockdown again meant to occur when deaths and cases have been in free-fall for months now? Unless it turns out one of the strains just outright bypasses the protections provided by the vaccine of course, which hopefully won’t happen.
 
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Lucy said:
The Indian variant could be problematic, especially as they've yet to make it a red country.
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We’ve had so many “deadly mutation” headlines that frankly I just ignore them now, until proven otherwise I’m staying optimistic on the matter. Mutation headlines drive clicks, hence why we get so many of them.

Every mutation has had the same scare so far...
 
Lucy

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This one is a bit different though given how it's exploded in India.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I don't believe we're out of the woods yet. Summer will be fine as it was last year, autumn and winter are the times we need to be careful.
 
proactive

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Lucy said:
This one is a bit different though given how it's exploded in India.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I don't believe we're out of the woods yet. Summer will be fine as it was last year, autumn and winter are the times we need to be careful.
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Depends if the current vaccines are able to prevent serious illness and death in any material way with each new variant. We'll just have to wait until some meaningful analysis has been done before we breathe a sigh of relief or scare ourselves silly. Even if it does largely evade current vaccines, we're now into booster jab scenarios that hopefully will help us out.

There are a great many of 'our betters' who seem to be very keen that we don't go back to the freedoms we had before in any event. That's what worries me and makes me the most angry. These people have had their taste of power and seem intent on keeping it forever if they can.
 
SketchyMagpie

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Cue said:
until proven otherwise
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Is the sharp spike in infections in India not proof...? They had over 200,000 new cases in a single day recently.

Cue said:
Besides: Unless we totally mess up the vaccine distribution how exactly is a scenario where we need to lockdown again meant to occur when deaths and cases have been in free-fall for months now? Unless it turns out one of the strains just outright bypasses the protections provided by the vaccine of course, which hopefully won’t happen.
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Winter surge, when we're all indoors again. Even Boris has said recently that a third wave is likely so it's just a matter of how big it is.

I think your viewpoint only makes sense if you don't look at the rest of the world. Sure, things are pretty good here right now. But current incidence of the virus on a global scale is as high as it has ever been and those conditions are ripe for mutations to occur... we would have to be *extremely* lucky for not one of them to evade the vaccines.
 

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Cue

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SketchyMagpie said:
Is the sharp spike in infections in India not proof...? They had over 200,000 new cases in a single day recently.

Winter surge, when we're all indoors again. Even Boris has said recently that a third wave is likely so it's just a matter of how big it is.

I think your viewpoint only makes sense if you don't look at the rest of the world. Sure, things are pretty good here right now. But current incidence of the virus on a global scale is as high as it has ever been and those conditions are ripe for mutations to occur... we would have to be *extremely* lucky for not one of them to evade the vaccines.
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Assuming the worst at this point is doing terrible things for everyone’s mental health, which is why I’m remaining optimistic.

Either way, the chances of the general public actually abiding by another lockdown is slim to nil.

I’m not an anti-lockdown person by any means, I’m just realistic about the attitudes of the populous...

Gotta say though, seeing other countries screwing the pooch on the rollout compared to us really makes you feel let down. The best results would be from everyone managing it all at once. Safe to say we won’t be going abroad to many places for a while I guess.
 
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Noah

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Not only variants/mutations but recombinants can aslo be a worry. Where someone is infected with two different strains and you get a recombination of the two. There have already been some South African/UK variant recombinants in South America and it could throw up some unpleasant new strains.
 
proactive

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SketchyMagpie said:
Well, I'm one of the fortunate people who enjoys lockdown life so thinking we might have another isn't assuming the worst in my case, heh.
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Well I'm one of the unfortunate ones who doesn't, so thinking we might have another is very much depressing. If you represent the majority then as a nation and a world we are truly fecked.
 
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proactive said:
If you represent the majority then as a nation and a world we are truly fecked.
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You have a lovely way with people, you know, proactive?

The only reason I enjoy it is because my life remains mostly unchanged, given I'm a self-employed artist, and I experience a huge reduction in social anxiety, but I wouldn't wish lockdown upon the rest of the nation. I hope we avoid it.
 
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SketchyMagpie said:
The only reason I enjoy it and I experience a huge reduction in social anxiety, but I wouldn't wish lockdown upon the rest of the nation. I hope we avoid it.
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Same here, although I work in a very public facing job, I have loved not having to attend social events that I would usually have to, of both the work & personal variety. For me, lockdown could continue forever, but I understand others want to 'get out there'.
 
Cue

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SketchyMagpie said:
You have a lovely way with people, you know, proactive?

The only reason I enjoy it is because my life remains mostly unchanged, given I'm a self-employed artist, and I experience a huge reduction in social anxiety, but I wouldn't wish lockdown upon the rest of the nation. I hope we avoid it.
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Tbh at the start of lockdown my wife and I were very much feeling the same, we’re both introverts. But the knowledge of being unable to do stuff if we wanted to has taken its toll somewhat, and while we aren’t very social creatures we do have a small group of local friends we like to see and can’t

Plus, as it turns out, the nature of our work doesn’t suit fully remote work
 
rudie111

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I read lots of comments (not on this forum) stating people wouldn't tolerate another lock down. Then we had another 2! I'm not sure we will have another lockdown but I am certain there will be some restrictions imposed come Autumn/Winter
 
SketchyMagpie

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For the person who asked why we're talking about lockdowns, I mentioned a page or two ago that a friend who works in the NHS told me she thinks another one before the end of the year is highly likely.

I should say she also believes it was created in a lab in Russia, so yeah. Take it with a pinch of salt.
 
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