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Dominos pizza & pizza express - halal
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biccies
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I know a supplier I used to work with used chicken that was slaughtered in the halal way but could not certify the final sandwiches as halal because they were packaged/prepared in a way that didn't conform to any of the certification. So that is a reason why you don't always see it in clear text.
The term 'racist' gets banded about an awful lot. Religion does not equal race.
The term 'racist' gets banded about an awful lot. Religion does not equal race.
FiendishJack
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All the halal food served by major food chains is from halal suppliers that use pre-stunning, so literally the only difference is the prayer that's on loop over the speakers. Not to mention that there's a ton of food in the supermarkets that may or may not be halal. Halal food doesn't have to be labelled as such, as something like 90% of it meets exactly the same slaughter requirements as non-halal meat.
"Religion does not equal race." is trying to get out of being racist on a technicality. Religion in this context is pretty much the same as race in any meaningful way, in that it's a group of people with some shared culture or history who are fairly arbitrarily assigned the same stereotypes and discriminated against on that basis. Although it does make a nice change from "I'm not racist but..".
"Religion does not equal race." is trying to get out of being racist on a technicality. Religion in this context is pretty much the same as race in any meaningful way, in that it's a group of people with some shared culture or history who are fairly arbitrarily assigned the same stereotypes and discriminated against on that basis. Although it does make a nice change from "I'm not racist but..".
CreamCake
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Good for you mate, the silent majority support your choice. If you buy pizza bases you can make your own quick and easy.
My Name is URL
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Just when I thought the bollocks that Henrys Scat's posts couldn't get any worse.....
Ignore him OP, he tries to force his diatribe on everyone.... god help you if you drive a car and ever dare to post the fact.... you'll be guilty of all sorts.
Prefer white sugar to brown sugar....? Henry's Cat deems that racist
CreamCake
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Henry's Cat, I'll not get into a debate about it with you as you will try to drag me down to your level. Anybody interested can read what the RSPCA have to say on the matter and make their minds up.
http://www.rspca.org.uk/ImageLocator/LocateAsset?asset=document&assetId=1232719611043&mode=prd
http://www.rspca.org.uk/ImageLocator/LocateAsset?asset=document&assetId=1232719611043&mode=prd
tek-monkey
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I've eaten halal and non-halal, it tastes the same. As I'm not a believer the prayer is about as relevant as them making the chicken watch a monty python sketch before dying, it really makes no difference. The chicken doesn't care, I don't even know what religion chickens follow? As long as it is stunned I couldn't give a monkeys, I'll still eat it. The idea that a prayer in the slaughterhouse offends yet everything else doesn't is hysterical, its rare I agree with HC but on this I do.
henryscat
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The RSPCA have long been a confused organisation. They lend their name to farmers/meat packers which is completely against what they claim to stand for. If the RSPCA were consistent their website would say "go vegan". All slaughter is horrific and there is no such thing as "humane slaughter".
henryscat
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Blimey, glad I was sat down when I read that...
My Name is URL
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Thats your opinion and a fair and reasonable one, but at the same time everyone else has a right to CHOICE and that's what this thread is about. If companies labelled meat as halal or not then people have a choice to buy it or not.... using halal and not labeling it is underhand and immoral IMHO.
I don't claim to be the font of all knowledge on Halal so as thig question... how long does the stunning last for - long enough to have their throat slit, great.... not long enough for them to be hung upside down and have their blood drained whilst still alive.... not so great.
You must admit though, to call someone a racist for daring to say they don't want to eat halal meat is pretty low, even for HC.
tek-monkey
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I would have stayed (moderately) quiet until this bit:
Its not the method of slaughter that bothers them, its the prayer. This means it has nothing to do with the animal and everything to do with a bearded bloke speaking nonsense that the chicken can't hear because its stunned anyway. The chicken tastes the same, there is no test you can carry out to see if the prayer was said as it is exactly the same meat. Now I'm as big an atheist as the next man, I think all religions should be banned, but I also know that this makes no difference whatsoever so I don't care. You may as well demand certification that the person killing your chicken has ginger hair, or is called Dave, it really is that irrelevant. I'm as offended by this as I am by the Sally Army singing hymns at sunday school, its makes absolutely no difference to your day.
Maybe people should be asking why companies are selling halal meat? Because it allows you to target a larger customer base, NZ lamb has been halal for years. Maybe they should make sure they never visit a muslim country, yet the amount of people moaning about halal on facebook that have photos of a holiday in Turkey are rather amusing. The fact that Muslims also wont eat unlabelled halal means that the animosity towards them is entirely misplaced, yet the halal argument always seems to gravitate back to Islam rather than the food manufacturers for some reason.
As for a few 'facts', the chickens are stunned just like normal (dumped in water and electrocuted) but they are killed manually by slitting their throats rather than going through a big lawnmower-like machine that chops their heads off as they hang upside down. If anything this means there is more chance of spotting an animal that hasn't been sufficiently stunned, the prayer is just some mumbo jumbo that I doubt is really even said in a lot of places.
There are so many things you should get worked up over in this world, be it war/slavery/torture etc. that getting upset by a few words a guy you never met said to a chicken just makes you look like a bit of a tool in my eyes.
Its not the method of slaughter that bothers them, its the prayer. This means it has nothing to do with the animal and everything to do with a bearded bloke speaking nonsense that the chicken can't hear because its stunned anyway. The chicken tastes the same, there is no test you can carry out to see if the prayer was said as it is exactly the same meat. Now I'm as big an atheist as the next man, I think all religions should be banned, but I also know that this makes no difference whatsoever so I don't care. You may as well demand certification that the person killing your chicken has ginger hair, or is called Dave, it really is that irrelevant. I'm as offended by this as I am by the Sally Army singing hymns at sunday school, its makes absolutely no difference to your day.
Maybe people should be asking why companies are selling halal meat? Because it allows you to target a larger customer base, NZ lamb has been halal for years. Maybe they should make sure they never visit a muslim country, yet the amount of people moaning about halal on facebook that have photos of a holiday in Turkey are rather amusing. The fact that Muslims also wont eat unlabelled halal means that the animosity towards them is entirely misplaced, yet the halal argument always seems to gravitate back to Islam rather than the food manufacturers for some reason.
As for a few 'facts', the chickens are stunned just like normal (dumped in water and electrocuted) but they are killed manually by slitting their throats rather than going through a big lawnmower-like machine that chops their heads off as they hang upside down. If anything this means there is more chance of spotting an animal that hasn't been sufficiently stunned, the prayer is just some mumbo jumbo that I doubt is really even said in a lot of places.
There are so many things you should get worked up over in this world, be it war/slavery/torture etc. that getting upset by a few words a guy you never met said to a chicken just makes you look like a bit of a tool in my eyes.
tek-monkey
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I'd just like to add that wasn't aimed at you URL, reading it back that looks a bit like a direct reply but I meant it at anyone that is upset by halal slaughter but doesn't care about the animals regardless.
citricsquid
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The difference between Halal meat and non-Halal meat is spiritual, this difference is only relevant to Muslims, therefore the difference between Halal meat and non-Halal meat for a non-Muslim is nil because non-Muslims do not acknowledge spiritual Muslim things.
That statement is factually accurate, therefore we can swap out "halal meat" for any other inconsequential thing in the food preparation process to better understand the point that Adam is making, I will use a fictional person ("Mr. Example") to avoid misquoting someone real. Let's first try it with women:
Mr. Example is completely right, he has every right to refuse to eat food prepared by women, but he's most definitely a sexist!
What about people of a different colour?
Mr. Example is right again, he's within his rights to only eat at restaurants staffed exclusively by white people, but he is most definitely a racist!
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Adam is certainly correct, he has every right to refuse to eat food prepared to Muslim standards... but it most certainly makes him Islamophobic and (depending on the definition you choose to use for racism) a racist.
That statement is factually accurate, therefore we can swap out "halal meat" for any other inconsequential thing in the food preparation process to better understand the point that Adam is making, I will use a fictional person ("Mr. Example") to avoid misquoting someone real. Let's first try it with women:
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example is completely right, he has every right to refuse to eat food prepared by women, but he's most definitely a sexist!
What about people of a different colour?
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example said:
Mr. Example is right again, he's within his rights to only eat at restaurants staffed exclusively by white people, but he is most definitely a racist!
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Adam is certainly correct, he has every right to refuse to eat food prepared to Muslim standards... but it most certainly makes him Islamophobic and (depending on the definition you choose to use for racism) a racist.
My Name is URL
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No offence taken at all matey... in fact before I got to that part of your own post you quoted, I was just about to post something very similar about there being much bigger things to worry about in the world....
flossietoo
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Or,
You could choose the Leggara Padana. Goats cheese, spinach and lovely gloopy caramelised onion. Food of the Gods. Whichever God takes your fancy.
You could choose the Leggara Padana. Goats cheese, spinach and lovely gloopy caramelised onion. Food of the Gods. Whichever God takes your fancy.
Alan B'Stard
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I consider myself agnostic, so I know what you are saying. Ideally, the meat I eat should not have been prayed upon at any time, by a Christian, Jew or Muslim.
Labelling is the answer, inform the consuming public of the method of slaughter and then let the market decide upon how viable each method is, currently, it's a catch all situation because there are no labelling requirements.
It's not a big issue for me, I don't lose sleep over it but it would be nice to know if the slaughtering has been religous based or not, i'd certainly change my purchasing habits with that information.
I'm generally more upset about how people fail to see what a waste of food meat production is in itself rather than any different flying spaghetti monster theory they may have.
If more people ate less meat there would be more food in the world. Fact.
biccies
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I made that statement because henryscat said "Closet racism is the usual reason...". I'm fairly new to these forums so I was not aware he is a known troll. I do hope you were not implying that my statement there was racist. Religion is absolutely not the same as a race. Religion is a choice, race is clearly not. People are very quick to make the very serious accusation that someone is racist because they disagree with someone's religious choices. I find it interesting that culture has formed some sort of protection around discussing religion. Anyway, this can quickly move off topic, but I felt I should clarify that point.
tek-monkey
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If less people existed there would be more food in the world. Fact.
You are correct, religion ≠ race. Therefore it is religious intolerance rather than racism if the prayer offends you, it is after all your choice to become offended by something that doesn't have any detrimental implications to your own life.
As for protecting religion, I think they're all a bunch of looney bastards that are too weak willed to accept their place in this world without an imaginary friend to attribute anything they fail to understand. People should be intolerant to any religion that has a direct impact on their lives, but only if to all religions equally. Being offended by a Muslim chatting up a chicken but not by the Catholic church banning condom use in countries plagued by AIDS is wrong.
1JKz
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I'm seriously thinking of dropping my "part-time" veggieness* due to my uneducated** inconsistent (and self-inflicted lack lustre) ruling I have around which meat I should, and shouldn't eat.
It's a huge ball ache to take the moral high ground when deciding which animal i should and shouldn't eat, as the labelling and production of killing, producing and selling of animal parts is, well, just so damn confusing.
*i look at labels and hope the thing i'm about to purchase has had a lovely little life and killed as humanely as possible, If I don't see such "proof" I shall not buy.
**there, i said it, sorry HC, i am a fan of yours so please don't call me a facisits racist deadbeat of anything of that kind, as i'm just trying to live a little life quietly ticking along, before it all ends.