Dominos pizza & pizza express - halal

[henryscat]

Just a note on the recurring theme that discrimination based on religion is "not racism" - it is. The Institute of Race Relations should be a reasonable source on this I would hope - their definitions are at http://www.irr.org.uk/research/statistics/definitions/

A couple from the page:

Anti-Muslim racism – Legislation or actions which, though not always or necessarily directed against the Muslim religion, effectively discriminate against people from Muslim communities

Racism – the belief or ideology that ‘races’ have distinctive characteristics which gives some superiority over others. Also refers to discriminatory and abusive behaviour based on such a belief or ideology. In the UK, denying people access to good and services on the basis of their colour, nationality, ethnicity, religion etc is illegal and called racial discrimination. Institutional racism (a term coined by US Black Power leader Stokely Carmichael) occurs when a whole organisation’s procedures and policies disadvantage BME people. State racism refers to the way that racism can be enshrined in laws (such as immigration legislation), in procedures (such as police stops and searches) and programmes (such as those on political extremism)

 

[biccies]

henrycat, I'm sure you can find all sorts of different definitions from all sorts of different sources.

If you are to look at Section 9 of the Equality Act 2010 they define race as:

(1)Race includes—​

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(a)colour;​

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(b)nationality;​

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(c)ethnic or national origins.​

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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/9

Religion is covered separately in section 10 of the same act.

 

[Gramaisc]

Mmm, so Jewish is religious, but not racial..?

 

[andy w]

I would say religious. There are about 200,000 people in the UK who adhere/relate to the jewish faith but I would imagine the vast majority would say they are British and white.
The same goes for other groups of people. I am British, white and a (weddings, christenings, funerals etc) Christian. What is my race?

 

[henryscat]

henrycat, I'm sure you can find all sorts of different definitions from all sorts of different sources.

If you are to look at Section 9 of the Equality Act 2010 they define race as:

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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/9

Religion is covered separately in section 10 of the same act.

Indeed you can, but I would still maintain that the IRR is a reasonable source to refer to in this instance.
Separation in legislation does not mean they are two separate things. For instance, the Equality Act acknowledges that race includes "ethnic origins". Ethnicity can be taken as referring to a common heritage, that heritage includes a common culture, part of which can be religion. I don't think the Equality Act is particularly inconsistent with the IRR.

 

[Gramaisc]

Mmm, so Jewish is religious, but not racial..?

I would say religious.

You might well do, but I think that you would find that the system thinks otherwise.

 

[andy w]

Let's try this one then. Would criticizing any doctrine of the Catholic church, such as objecting to birth control, be classed as racism?

 

[Gramaisc]

Let's try this one then. Would criticizing any doctrine of the Catholic church, such as objecting to birth control, be classed as racism?

Probably not. Indeed, I suspect that halal is only allowable here because we couldn't ban it without also banning kosher, and we don't want to do that. Might not be true, but I think it probably is.

 

[proactive]

Probably not. Indeed, I suspect that halal is only allowable here because we couldn't ban it without also banning kosher, and we don't want to do that. Might not be true, but I think it probably is.

Surely the whole situation could be sorted out by simply branding affected meat in three categories. 1) Kosher, 2)Halal, 3)Non Religious.

How could that offend anyone?

Either that or people could just accept that it all tastes the same and get on and eat it.

 

[andy w]

Or just stick to the bacon sandwiches!

 

[Gramaisc]

Or just stick to the bacon sandwiches!

You just know that we'll end up with Non Halal/Kosher signs on them - like May Contain Nuts on bags of peanuts...

 

[tek-monkey]

Surely the whole situation could be sorted out by simply branding affected meat in three categories. 1) Kosher, 2)Halal, 3)Non Religious.

How could that offend anyone?

Either that or people could just accept that it all tastes the same and get on and eat it.

What if it is half halal? They could say a prayer as it goes through the machine in a kind of updating of the texts to reflect modern practices kinda thing. Or what if its throat was slit by a person but they said no prayer? Or the wrong prayer, is that worse, I never could grasp these things? Maybe you should have a series of traffic light style affairs where you get lights for stun, prayer and death?

 

[proactive]

What if it is half halal?

I still wouldn't give a flying fuck.

 

[andy w]

I'll order that down the Chinese next time I'm in!

 

[proactive]

It was a Number 42 last time I was in.

Actually best be careful, I can already hear the tap tap tap of righteous indignation and offence - taken on people's keyboards.

 

[1JKz]

If I prefer to buy my pizza from a pizzeria and not a supermarket, am I racist?

...or prefer Pizza Express over Pizza Hut and Dominos, am I racist then?

Just so "everyone" knows where I stand on the matter, I love all pizza!!

 

[Gramaisc]

It certainly seems to be perfectly possible to like pizza and be a fascist - Benito Mussolini, for example.

 

[littleme]

Stop going on about chicken & pizza you lot!

Its Friday fish day don't ya know

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

If less people existed there would be more food in the world. Fact.

This does not change the fact that there would be more food if people didn't eat so much meat.

I have a solution: human meat.

 

[Gramaisc]

I have a solution: human meat.

Long-pig or soylent green...?