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kyoto49

Well-Known Forumite
In reply to the poster who accused the OP of being racist, it's not racist to not want someone else's cultural values imposed on you regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

If the definition includes: "Also refers to discriminatory and abusive behaviour based on such a belief or ideology" then I'd be happy to abuse Pakistani's who think that stoning women is OK. I despise the belief that women are second class citizens and the apparant right to treat them in the most terrible way. I don't give two sh*ts about whether it's cultural or religious, it's wrong, and it's not racist to say so. Too much bad is don eby those hiding behind the banner of religion, when what should matter is the good of humanity, all of it, even women! If I'm a racist for speaking up against such heinous acts being committed in Pakistan, by Pakistani's, then thank f*ck for that :D

Just saying!
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
How are someone else's cultural values imposed on you if you can't tell in any way/shape/form until a newspaper kicks off about it? Not only that but its not even them imposing them, its not labelled so they don't eat it either, I guess its food manufacturers (nearly all westerners) that are to blame here but I'm still not sure what blame there is. If it tasted different or stunning wasn't used then I'd be offended but I just can't be offended by this. As mentioned earlier its trivial, akin to something as nonsensical as someone playing the french speaking clock at the beast before it shuffles off this mortal coil.

There is a lot in this world to be outraged by, if this is one of those things for you then you must have a most remarkably comfortable bubble to live in indeed.
 

henryscat

Well-Known Forumite
In reply to the poster who accused the OP of being racist, it's not racist to not want someone else's cultural values imposed on you regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

If the definition includes: "Also refers to discriminatory and abusive behaviour based on such a belief or ideology" then I'd be happy to abuse Pakistani's who think that stoning women is OK. I despise the belief that women are second class citizens and the apparant right to treat them in the most terrible way. I don't give two sh*ts about whether it's cultural or religious, it's wrong, and it's not racist to say so. Too much bad is don eby those hiding behind the banner of religion, when what should matter is the good of humanity, all of it, even women! If I'm a racist for speaking up against such heinous acts being committed in Pakistan, by Pakistani's, then thank f*ck for that :D

Just saying!
I think you're confusing what constitutes racism.

It is perfectly possible to advocate human rights without being racist.
 

Lunar Scorpion

Anarchy in the UK
In reply to the poster who accused the OP of being racist, it's not racist to not want someone else's cultural values imposed on you regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

If the definition includes: "Also refers to discriminatory and abusive behaviour based on such a belief or ideology" then I'd be happy to abuse Pakistani's who think that stoning women is OK. I despise the belief that women are second class citizens and the apparant right to treat them in the most terrible way. I don't give two sh*ts about whether it's cultural or religious, it's wrong, and it's not racist to say so. Too much bad is don eby those hiding behind the banner of religion, when what should matter is the good of humanity, all of it, even women! If I'm a racist for speaking up against such heinous acts being committed in Pakistan, by Pakistani's, then thank f*ck for that :D

Just saying!

Patriarchy and misogyny exists in this (white Western/British) culture, too. If you're going to focus on abuse by a particular race and ignore the rest then yes, actually, that is racist.
 

FiendishJack

Active Member
In reply to the poster who accused the OP of being racist, it's not racist to not want someone else's cultural values imposed on you regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

If the definition includes: "Also refers to discriminatory and abusive behaviour based on such a belief or ideology" then I'd be happy to abuse Pakistani's who think that stoning women is OK. I despise the belief that women are second class citizens and the apparant right to treat them in the most terrible way. I don't give two sh*ts about whether it's cultural or religious, it's wrong, and it's not racist to say so. Too much bad is don eby those hiding behind the banner of religion, when what should matter is the good of humanity, all of it, even women! If I'm a racist for speaking up against such heinous acts being committed in Pakistan, by Pakistani's, then thank f*ck for that :D

Just saying!


Why are you only against stoning of women in Pakistan? What if it happens in Iran? or Saudi Arabia? or Canada?.. is it OK there? It's the selective nature of the complaint that makes people think you might have a bit of racist intent tucked away in there.

what should matter is the good of humanity, all of it, even women!

even women?..
 

kyoto49

Well-Known Forumite
Why are you only against stoning of women in Pakistan? What if it happens in Iran? or Saudi Arabia? or Canada?.. is it OK there? It's the selective nature of the complaint that makes people think you might have a bit of racist intent tucked away in there.



even women?..

The stoning of a woman had been the most recent event in the news when I wrote my post which I thought most relevant, but please feel free to use that to decide I'm a racist. When Pakistan starts adhering to UN Human Rights in regard to women, then I'll stop using it as an example in a negative light. Sadly I'm unable to make an example of all the other nations that also fail to adhere to said human rights due to time constraints, but I suspect not very many are Western democracies. In your eyes that must mean I'm a racist. Thankfully I'm not fussed what you think.

Yes even women - I fail to know of a sarcasm emoticon, hence the exclamation mark. If you read that as a sexist comment in the context of what I wrote then I have no words............... :(
 

kyoto49

Well-Known Forumite
Patriarchy and misogyny exists in this (white Western/British) culture, too. If you're going to focus on abuse by a particular race and ignore the rest then yes, actually, that is racist.

But the state and the laws of Britain protect womens rights, if they are discriminated against in any way they have legal recourse. Sadly the same is not true in Pakistan. Honour killings, the complete lack of value to women in the eyes of Sharia law, the disregard for womens rights at all. These are not racist thoughts, but actual facts of life for millions of women in Pakistan today. It's not racist to say so. It's also a fact of life for women in many nations, but as I said above, I doubt any are Western democracies. If that makes me a racist in your eyes then so be it. Are ActionAid also racist?

http://www.actionaid.org/pakistan/campaign/campaigning-womens-right-land
 

Lunar Scorpion

Anarchy in the UK
But the state and the laws of Britain protect womens rights, if they are discriminated against in any way they have legal recourse. Sadly the same is not true in Pakistan. Honour killings, the complete lack of value to women in the eyes of Sharia law, the disregard for womens rights at all. These are not racist thoughts, but actual facts of life for millions of women in Pakistan today. It's not racist to say so. It's also a fact of life for women in many nations, but as I said above, I doubt any are Western democracies. If that makes me a racist in your eyes then so be it. Are ActionAid also racist?

http://www.actionaid.org/pakistan/campaign/campaigning-womens-right-land

You know what, I can't even be arsed to argue with you. Your whole attitude reeks of white Western superiority.
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
You know what, I can't even be arsed to argue with you. Your whole attitude reeks of white Western superiority.

Thank God that I didn't mention when the people that call themselves 'Australian' allowed the Aboriginals to vote....

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andy w

Well-Known Forumite
OK Lunar Scorpion. What country between Canada and Pakistan would offer you, as a woman, equality and freedom?
Sadly across the world too many women are treated badly and in the vast majority of cases done so by men, but isn't it how a country's legal system defends the rights of women that determines whether abuse is tolerated.
Your statement about 'white western superiority' indicates the self loathing and liberal sensibilities that has hamstrung so many on the Left/ metropolitan Liberals from tackling the inequalities and abuse of women across the world. If we believe something is wrong we should have the courage to say so and if that offends so be it.
 
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