Lunar Scorpion
Anarchy in the UK
That's just the way of the world - get used to it or do something to change it.Gramaisc said:
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djstaffs
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Its the way of the way of the world...get used to it or do something to change it? hhmmmm maybe those in social housing should do something about it otherwise are they not helping to make the problem worse by ghettoisation? Lower standards arent just about jumping on someones car, its about litter, graffiti, dumping crap in your front garden and street so while the decent people can well be forgiven for not wanting to confront a gang of kids jumping from car to car there is no reason why they cant pick up the littler in their garden or get rid of things in the proper way instead of dumping in the street. These are all things that characterise social housing neighbour hoods. Is it sounding grim? You bet it does so why would anyone want to move there? Doesnt make us snobs though. And just so you are aware of my background and where i am coming from i grew up in social housing as a chil and lived in and around social housing at various stages of my adult life until fairly recently. I also have family who live in social housing who i see regularly so it is something i am very in touch with. I am not a snob, but i choose not to live in a grim place and that doesnt mean i have contributed to ghettoisation.
My Name is URL
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When the GF and I were looking for houses we went to look at some on Meadowcroft Park (and lots of other places that were exactly the same)......
The idea is great.... "rather than having dedicated developments of social housing, lets force the developers to build social housing as part of their developments so that they mix them in with the bigger nicer houses"...
Only problem is the developers build all the nice big houses at the front of the development and then stick the shitty "social housing" (flats) at the back (usually by the railway line).
Anyway when we went to look at meadowcroft park the big expensive houses on the front were well pruned and looked after.... as we got nearer to the flats at the back there were old rusty washing machines dumped in the street, cars dumped that the grasee had grown to the same height as they had been there so long etc......
There was no way in hell I was living anywhere near that and if that makes me a snob then i'm proud of that.
The idea is great.... "rather than having dedicated developments of social housing, lets force the developers to build social housing as part of their developments so that they mix them in with the bigger nicer houses"...
Only problem is the developers build all the nice big houses at the front of the development and then stick the shitty "social housing" (flats) at the back (usually by the railway line).
Anyway when we went to look at meadowcroft park the big expensive houses on the front were well pruned and looked after.... as we got nearer to the flats at the back there were old rusty washing machines dumped in the street, cars dumped that the grasee had grown to the same height as they had been there so long etc......
There was no way in hell I was living anywhere near that and if that makes me a snob then i'm proud of that.
tek-monkey
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Exactly. Social housing is not the problem, its the people in them. Many are fine, I lived in a concrete council house til I was 21 and luckily ours was a nice area. I firmly believe that was down to the mix of people we had on the street though, very few dumped washing machines or cars! 2 streets away on the other hand, you think the bin men fear to tread.
The house is not the issue, the area is not the issue, its the people. A house is just a pile of bricks, the area a collection of these. Seems to me when you have crap neighbours then standards drop, and when you have good neighbours standards improve. The issue is that people who rent care less about their houses, so areas of high rental are usually the shitholes. Still all down to the people though, not the houses.
The house is not the issue, the area is not the issue, its the people. A house is just a pile of bricks, the area a collection of these. Seems to me when you have crap neighbours then standards drop, and when you have good neighbours standards improve. The issue is that people who rent care less about their houses, so areas of high rental are usually the shitholes. Still all down to the people though, not the houses.
My Name is URL
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Spot on Tek... and my first instinct is to say "if people don't behave and act responsibly in social housing, kick the funkers out".... god knows there are plenty more people on the waiting lists...
Problem is where do you kick them out to? The evil side of me says "don't give a sh*t, where they go is their problem, let them live on the streets"
I just know that the human rights brigade will jump on me for thinking / saying it.
Problem is where do you kick them out to? The evil side of me says "don't give a sh*t, where they go is their problem, let them live on the streets"
I just know that the human rights brigade will jump on me for thinking / saying it.
tek-monkey
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People live how they want to live, you can't stop that. People who don't pay anything to live in their house are very likely to have less respect for it, its just how things are. I'm not saying everyone, but certainly a much higher percentage than people who pay rent.
Kids who always get what they want usually have no respect for what they get, I suspect this trait is not grown out of. Something earned is always worth more than something given, or at least it is to me!
Kids who always get what they want usually have no respect for what they get, I suspect this trait is not grown out of. Something earned is always worth more than something given, or at least it is to me!
cookie_monster
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which goes to show just how ill informed you are.Lunar Scorpion said:
most developers now will find it written in as a condition of their planning permission etc that they have to build a certain proportion of housing in any new development to be offered to social landlords.
as for the posh people standing for it...they dont have a choice. the only thing they can object to is the designs of the proposed properties and that still has to be upheld by the planning authorities.
i refer you to the case of brunswick terrace just off the newport road...which also has a childrens home at the end of it...and tell me thats not posh.
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The Broken Windows Theory. (Strangely for me, not IT-related. 
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Neighbourhood Watched sounds interesting; is it repeated/available on the iPlayer/part of a series?
)Neighbourhood Watched sounds interesting; is it repeated/available on the iPlayer/part of a series?
cookie_monster
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yup!Wookie said:The Broken Windows Theory. (Strangely for me, not IT-related.
Neighbourhood Watched sounds interesting; is it repeated/available on the iPlayer/part of a series?
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Gramaisc
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It's on iPlayer until next Tuesday. It's numbered, so it's presumably the start of a series.
I really must learn to type quicker - or just type less.cookie_monster said:
shoes
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Frankly if you cannot maintain your social housing then you can just f00k off IMO also, as you say there are enough people on the lists.gk141054 said:Spot on Tek... and my first instinct is to say "if people don't behave and act responsibly in social housing, kick the funkers out".... god knows there are plenty more people on the waiting lists...
Problem is where do you kick them out to? The evil side of me says "don't give a sh*t, where they go is their problem, let them live on the streets"
I just know that the human rights brigade will jump on me for thinking / saying it.
The only problem is when we give them a house, cash and no bills they still cause trouble, act antisocially etc. so when you take all this away then crime will just get worse as they try to survive.
If you get a council house and can't respect it or the area you should just be allowed to go to the local state crematorium where an area is set aside for you to starve to death and the state will dispose of your worthless corpse.
Now LS before you jump on me please read what I have written several times and make sure you use your alleged genius IQ to actually comprehend it.
THOSE WHO CANNOT AND DO NOT RESPECT THE HOUSE WHICH IS GIVEN TO THEM GRATIS THEN THEY SHOULD BE DISREGARDED BY SOCIETY
My Name is URL
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Actually, these people pay VAT into the system so they have a right to milk it for all its worth including trashing houses which they are entitled to, don't you knowshoes said:
BTW where is Kingston Hill?
tek-monkey
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Kingston Hill is on the right of the Weston road heading out of town, up near the uni.
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
ahhhhh
the golf course
bingo and cobs in the club house
only place to get a drink if you were 14 years old
pinching golf balls off the green then flogging em back to the golfers when you 'found' em in the rough
Richard Branson would have been proud
the golf course
bingo and cobs in the club house
only place to get a drink if you were 14 years old
pinching golf balls off the green then flogging em back to the golfers when you 'found' em in the rough
Richard Branson would have been proud
John Marwood
I ♥ cryptic crosswords
there used to be a sandstone quarry there too
in the olden days
in the olden days
