Samsung to pay $1bn in damages to Apple

[hop]

Do all androids use the same, or does it change between handset manufacturers and their overlays?

Actually my post was perhaps a little misleading. By default the iPhone camera app does not allow face tagging (at least on my 6 month old version of ios)... I could upgrade the latest but I have some apps I wrote for my own use and I don't want to have any hassle... I'm confident the upgraded phone could run the apps but sometimes an upgrade of ios forces you get a new version of Xcode and with the last version of Xcode I have to upgraded the desktop os as well.


The iPhone allows you to browse your photos by event, place and face... At least it does if synced from a mac.

The issue is the face meta data is stored in a SQLite database rather than being appended to the exif tag which are embedded in every jpg.

The same is true with other systems such as a picassa face taggings and flickr.

Given the power of a modern phone and the availability of libraries such as libexif and opencv it seems plausible that the phone could easily tag images. Indeed it can via third party
Apps but again this is fragmented with no standardisation in how this data is stored.
But this should be done in a standardised way by embedding the metadata into the content, then the data is portable and open.

Given all the fuss apple and google made about standards and HTML5 it seems odd how they aren't prepared to work together to ratify a agreement which would result in interoperable meta data.

As far as I can see any android app which allows face tagging is probably storin the x,y coordinates of the rectangle in some binary file not the photo itself.

 

[tek-monkey]

Just saw Samsung are releasing a windows phone, possibly because this ruling specifically said the windows OS was OK?

Samsung's ATIV S Windows phone sports a high-end 4.8-inch display, Corning "Gorilla" glass, and an 8-megapixel rear camera and 1.9-megapixel front-facing camera, Microsoft posted on its official blog on Wednesday.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/samsung-unveils-windows-phone-galaxy-014300204.html

Sounds a bit like an S3? Wonder how much redesigning of hardware is needed to run Windows rather than Android?

 

[My Name is URL]

Just saw Samsung are releasing a windows phone, possibly because this ruling specifically said the windows OS was OK?

I would doubt it to be honest... pretty sure the ruling mainly related to a) hardware designs and b) manufacturer customisations of Android (i.e. the bounceback at the end of menus was one).

I think this is just them hedging their bets and covering all bases to be honest. If its pretty much identical hardware and M$ will be doing great deals on the software licenses, what have they to lose?

 

[tek-monkey]

If Samsung could offer their handsets with a choice of android or windows they'd be onto a winner, am guessing there is specific hardware changes required though. Not that I like windows on phones, but it'd be great to be able to choose a handset on specs rather than what OS it runs.

 

[My Name is URL]

If Samsung could offer their handsets with a choice of android or windows they'd be onto a winner, am guessing there is specific hardware changes required though. Not that I like windows on phones, but it'd be great to be able to choose a handset on specs rather than what OS it runs.

I'm far from an expert on these things, but I think the HTC HD2 was originally Win7 and then was hacked to run Android...?

Ditto the HP Touchpad was WebOS and was hacked to run Android...

And most of the above was done without the help of the technology owners, so possibly lacking the knowledge / drivers etc... so surely if kids in their back bedroom can make one OS run on a different OS's phone with identical hardware... Samsung themselves can...?

 

[hop]

If Samsung could offer their handsets with a choice of android or windows they'd be onto a winner, am guessing there is specific hardware changes required though. Not that I like windows on phones, but it'd be great to be able to choose a handset on specs rather than what OS it runs.

Win 8 is designed to run on ARM processors. Microsoft may have been in bed with Intel for many years, but you used to able to run windows on DEC alphas and a variety of processors.

Ditto the HP Touchpad was WebOS and was hacked to run Android...

I actually really like webOS. It is very intuitive and the performance is great. I wouldn't install android on my touchpad (bought from argos online at full price the day the fire sale was announced in the US, if the price wasn't lowered and this honoured I would have returned it for a full refund under the distance selling regulations - fortunately a few days later HP UK announced the price drop and argos said they would refund the difference to my credit card)

 

[Gramaisc]

Samsung's counter-evidence in the case has been less widely propagated.

 

[The Stafford Beast]

Everyone knows Star Trek invented iPhones. Anyone remember the communicator? Then there was the Tricorder.

'Star Trek' Producers Awarded Cell Phone Patent Damages

Spock about to send a Tweet from the planet Zorgon...

@BeamMeUpScotty Live long and #prosper

 

[Gramaisc]

And Trebor invented the Polo neck...

 

[The Stafford Beast]

@StarTrekCrew I seem to be #trapped in a castle #BitSweaty

 

[Jonah]

Samsung's counter-evidence in the case has been less widely propagated.

That's interesting but I don't remember any phone from any manufacturer which looked like the iPhone before 2007. Maybe that's just me not remembering the phones.

I just wish that Apple and Samsung would stop all these lawsuits and get on with designing high quality, innovative phones.

 

[Gramaisc]

I just wish that Apple and Samsung would stop all these lawsuits and get on with designing high quality, innovative phones.

Indeed. This corporate legal manoeuvring is getting out of hand.

How long before Mercedes try to stop anybody else using steering wheels..?

 

[Jonah]

One thing that would be interesting to see on those pre-iPhone Samsung phones is what the operating system looks like. After all, as has been said before, a touchscreen phone is pretty much a rectangle whoever makes it but the OS is what defines it.

I think (but not having followed the patent lawsuit closely) the OS and it's technologies is what the lawsuits are more about.

 

[tek-monkey]

Isn't that a google issue then, not a Samsung one?

Plus icon based touchscreen systems existed before the iphone, gesture based systems existed before the iphone, in fact all the iphone did was put other peoples technologies into a phone shaped package with very little innovation of their own other than a shiny case and apparently the pinch to zoom function. Still want to see a list of what actually was willfully infringed upon!

 

[Jonah]

Who did Samsung's OS before 2007? Was it Google?

I'm sure there is a list of the infringed patents somewhere - but I can't be bothered to look!

 

[tek-monkey]

AFAIK it was Samsung, android wasn't available properly until about 2009. Before that most people made their own or used symbian I think.

 

[The Stafford Beast]

Who did Samsung's OS before 2007? Was it Google?

I'm sure there is a list of the infringed patents somewhere - but I can't be bothered to look!

I think it was their own in-house OS / user interface.I can't remember seeing it on any other manufacturer's device.

This is interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Handset_Alliance

 

[The Stafford Beast]

AFAIK it was Samsung, android wasn't available properly until about 2009. Before that most people made their own or used symbian I think.

The Samsung OS was called Bada btw.

Blackberry still uses its own proprietary RIM OS on phones. That's ok, but I hope they stay compatible with other phones.

Symbian (by Nokia) was defo used by Sony Ericsson on a couple of their phones (remember the Satio? First commercial phone with a 12.1 megapixel camera) before making the move to Android. It was ok, but crashed a LOT.

 

[db]

What tek-monkey said... the case concerns old phones, not the S3....

not any more, unfortunately:

Apple adds Samsung's Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note and Galaxy Note 10.1 to ongoing patent lawsuit


apple are making right bell-ends of themselves with this..

 

[tek-monkey]

So slide to unlock and clicking phone numbers in emails belong to apple? Bunch of cocks, and general feeling already amongst people I know who are current apple users is that they'd already gone too far.

Well it's not like I've owned that many over my life, but I'll certainly never buy another apple product. They need competition.