alphagamma
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We don't know why Morrisons dithered then pulled out. Is it not possible that the situation with LXB and the council could have been a factor?
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Stafford shops closing - Turning into a ghost town?
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We don't know why Morrisons dithered then pulled out. Is it not possible that the situation with LXB and the council could have been a factor?
HopesDad
Don't feed the troll
Possibly, but more likely it is due to Morrisons' finances. They are closing a lot of shops around the country, so it would be perverse to open a new shop in a new location, particularly a weak location like stafford with a lot of competition.
alphagamma
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The strategy is to put all your eggs in one basket and then hope you don't trip over the wobbly paving in the Market Sq.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
As I understand it, Morrisons entered into the deal as a result of actions by a management team, most of whom subsequently 'left' the business shortly thereafter, leaving a new team to try to sort out what they had committed the business to.
alphagamma
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Yeah, I get that Morrisons is in bad shape generally, but they might still have opened a store in Stafford if they thought it was going to be some kind of boom town presided over by genius local gov. I wonder how much it cost them to withdraw? And did the council have any inkling that things were heading that way?
HopesDad
Don't feed the troll
It did seem that the council were not surprised by their pulling out, so presumably it had been discussed/threatened previously, although the council did not see fit to publish that, still trying to perpetuate the 'thriving Stafford' myth.
I presume it cost them less to withdraw than they would have list had the shop opened. It depends on the terms of the contract (assuming there was one). Might have cost them nothing.
I would imagine Morrisons were under no illusions about Stafford being a 'boom town', or ever likely to be one. And I am sure they will have quickly realised that the local government is a long way from 'genius'.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Did they actually pull out, despite signing a contract, or was the contract made null due to other reasons?
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
If I sold online I'd just move my website outside the UK and therefore remove such taxes.
Gramaisc
Forum O. G.
I suspect that that level of detail doesn't have to be made public.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
No we don't know why. So lets just spin a conspiracy theory about it being the council's fault with no evidence one way or the other. But hey, a conspiracy is a conspiracy innit!!
Jesus, man, I have no time for the council when it comes to many, many things but this is getting fcuking ridiculous.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Isn't it?
alphagamma
Well-Known Forumite
That's a given. As was the 1908 Sicilian earthquake, which was caused by a Stafford councillor dropping a safe full of brown envelopes.
proactive
Enjoying a drop of red.
Was he in Sicily on an all expenses 'fact-finding' council trip?
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basil
don't mention the blinds
Maybe find a space in Ugland House ?......
Not defending the council to hilt I am defending them on your inaccuracies.
You bitch and moan about the council not having a plan yet major investment has come into the town.
why shouldn't councils sell land, they need to bring money as they are getting less and less from government.
I have no issue with northwalls being sold, it was shabby and mainly under water.
The development is a sound sell off and retailers will move in and the car park will be open, no issues at all
this is now private land and is not for the council to dictate as much as we would like them too in this case. One must remember while the sale has occurred LXB have not exchanged contracts with the new owners which is expected to be on the 1st Dec. So nothing will likely happen before then.
not sure what councils can do about town centres bearing in mind Stafford is doing better than most of its larger regional counter parts and up and down the country- west brom, hanley, wolverhampton, dudley, walsall are all far worse off than this town
It is up to the government to come up with something coherent to save our streets, business rates being the bigger issue and investment sitting on empty premises for years and side stepping loop holes in business rates.
You bitch and moan about the council not having a plan yet major investment has come into the town.
why shouldn't councils sell land, they need to bring money as they are getting less and less from government.
I have no issue with northwalls being sold, it was shabby and mainly under water.
The development is a sound sell off and retailers will move in and the car park will be open, no issues at all
this is now private land and is not for the council to dictate as much as we would like them too in this case. One must remember while the sale has occurred LXB have not exchanged contracts with the new owners which is expected to be on the 1st Dec. So nothing will likely happen before then.
not sure what councils can do about town centres bearing in mind Stafford is doing better than most of its larger regional counter parts and up and down the country- west brom, hanley, wolverhampton, dudley, walsall are all far worse off than this town
It is up to the government to come up with something coherent to save our streets, business rates being the bigger issue and investment sitting on empty premises for years and side stepping loop holes in business rates.
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Stafford can come up with a good local plan but the cards are held by outside planners and investors and business men. I am not sure SBC own much in town at all.
so bar allowing developers to come in and knock down our older buildings (no thank you) there is little that can be influenced.
we might moan about Severn Trent but the work IN OUR creaking infrastructure was a ball ache but a required one. Tough to call whether to have staggered the work and get it done asap or drag it out for a few years. All those burdened were all going to burdened however or whenever such works were done.
so bar allowing developers to come in and knock down our older buildings (no thank you) there is little that can be influenced.
we might moan about Severn Trent but the work IN OUR creaking infrastructure was a ball ache but a required one. Tough to call whether to have staggered the work and get it done asap or drag it out for a few years. All those burdened were all going to burdened however or whenever such works were done.
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For me I am not one who will shout businesses are doomed which is your prediction.
I look at the more positive slant that north walls will be open very soon and we already know B&M will still be there moving to the larger unit.
the former Cooks and Knit and Needles are under offer in salter street and I personally know someone else who is looking at a premises on Eastgate street. The old Greenwoods opposite the butlers bell is also now under offer. There is work to do in those areas but it a good start considering north walls is still to open
I look at the more positive slant that north walls will be open very soon and we already know B&M will still be there moving to the larger unit.
the former Cooks and Knit and Needles are under offer in salter street and I personally know someone else who is looking at a premises on Eastgate street. The old Greenwoods opposite the butlers bell is also now under offer. There is work to do in those areas but it a good start considering north walls is still to open
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Throw in the 2 new independent moving into riverside with the restaurants still to open.
Oatcakes and milkshakes at the old video action, the new ladies clothes shop opposite casa, a new indian in mill st, the new to be Apothecary, new resturant at the pie and ale house, I like to see this as good signs towards recovery and positivity amongst the gloom, doom and scaremongering of some.
Oatcakes and milkshakes at the old video action, the new ladies clothes shop opposite casa, a new indian in mill st, the new to be Apothecary, new resturant at the pie and ale house, I like to see this as good signs towards recovery and positivity amongst the gloom, doom and scaremongering of some.