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That vegan thread.

Discussion in 'Lifestyle, Health & Diet' started by 1JKz, May 8, 2017.

  1. Withnail

    Withnail Well-Known Forumite

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    If it's worth a read, then what about a link?
     
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    To be honest if you have a varied diet then you can gain calcium from other sources (green leafy vege / tofu / nuts) its more needed in cases such as 'junk food vegans' and small children.

    I'm on the fence about GM produce - I don't feel I know enough to make an informed decision!

    Research is required....
     
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    Game Changers on Netflix is a very interesting documentary worth a watch if you are interested in the health benefits of going vegan.

    It also answered a lot a questions I had regarding our perceived 'naturalistic need' to eat meat!
     
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    The three 'R's. Not Reading Riting and Rifmetic.

    Research, Research and more Research.
     
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    If you want to start a fight amongst vegans, bring up the honey issue. Taboo because it is an animal product and therefore must be cruel or does not harm the bees in any way therefore is ok. Had a fruitless discussion with a vegan fanatic who had discovered I used to keep bees and insisted that it was cruel because we took all their honey and left them to starve over winter - bl**dy idiot.
     
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    Actually the biggest 'fight' amongst vegans is the use of eggs!

    Many keep chickens as pets, ensure they have a happy, health, free range life style so feel comfortable eating the eggs produced.

    Others then kick off saying they're not vegan at all!

    I've seen many a Facebook post closed down due to this type of discussion!
     
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    I struggle with this. We have a friend with rescued battery hens that are now living an amazing life roaming free in her orchard. They lay eggs. Should we waste the eggs because the hens were once part of the battery system and all the little boy chooks were minced ?

    My head says food waste is bad so we should eat the eggs. But other vegans would feel very different. Grey areas an all that!
     
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    If it helps Lidl now do Organic oat milk which is less likely to be GM adulterated.

    All oat milk is not the same though. Oatly needs a good shake as it separates, Provitamil and Alpro not so much. I prefer the taste of Provitamil
     
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    This is why the label 'vegan' is unhelpful. It sets people up to be failed against spurious and ever shifting ideals. Trying to do less harm is far more achievable and who wouldn't want to do that!
     
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    The swan has a Vegaunary menu
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    Just picked up an 'ASDA Living' magazine for free ( from ASDA obvs...)

    Loads of vegan recipes!

    Can't wait to give some a whirl!
     
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    Righto, thanks anyway
    This baffles me above and beyond.

    It's almost like people have no idea about how commercial crops that need to be pollinated by insects of some sort are actually pollinated.

    Spoiler alert, we keep bees on a MASSIVE scale to make fruit/vegetable production possible

    The very last thing i ever said to @henryscat was in this area, ie if you are going to go to the extremes of preserving the sanctity of insect life then you are going to end up a very hungry boy indeed.

    No form of agriculture whatsoever can be harm free at the level of insects - they both make food possible and make it potentially impossible, you can't just ignore them.

    You use them on the one hand -

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    to make lovely scented candles, for example, and on the other hand you-

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    blitz the f**kers you don't like quite as much.

    With that much of an in-between, there isn't that much of one that we can play ethics with.

    Or is there?
     
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    Someone on the news said chips were made from potatoes


    It's just scare stories

    Fake news

    Palm oil?

    How can sweaty hands be destroying the Amazon?

    Fake news

    Mumps anyone?
     
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    Albert Einstein was attributed the quote: "If all the insects in the world suddenly disappeared, the human race would follow within 5 years. Yet if the human race suddenly disappeared, the insects wouldn't even notice."

    I don't know if the good professor actually said this, poor old Albert has been lumbered with quotes both good and bad in an effort to put validity into them. But this is an interesting quote with a powerful message nonetheless.

    The latter part might need an adjustment though, … something along the lines: "..the insects would breathe a sigh of relief that the planet might be fine from now on."
     
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    Oops, number two son, has just passed me this! ;- https://veggies.co.uk/tag/seabrook-crisps-not-vegan/

    :lolsmash:

    Bloody shame,when lived 'oop North' used to be partial to a bag of Bratford's finest, used to pass the factory when working in Halifax, and travelling around. West Yorkshire company, and used to be almost exclusively in the North, using predominantly locally sourced potatoes. Was delighted when they pound their way to this neck of the woods.

    (Anyone wanting irrelevant useless information, this is yer man! Feel sorry for his work colleagues, they are subjected to this on a very regular basis, and he frequently develops verbal diarrhoea!):barf:
     
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    Hove to admit.....I tried the meat free plant based burger at Verso lounge yesterday..A good friend has converted to veganism to help with both his mental and physical health...and it seems to be working for him..

    So I' thought' I'd give some of the dishes a go....and I will happily admit it was really impressed...filled up and non of the normal bloating...

    I have been told of this place in Liverpool that we may check out next time we're up that way.

    https://www.frostburgers.com/
     
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