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Me, as it happens ..... and fish ..... and eggs.That-Crazy-Rat-Lady said:But dear god who can live without cheese?
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Me, as it happens ..... and fish ..... and eggs.That-Crazy-Rat-Lady said:But dear god who can live without cheese?
Maybe if you didn't come out with such idiotic statements as the above, that a child with primary school science could debunk, then maybe you wouldn't get so much of people voicing their opinions back at you.....Graham said:What is the difference between eating a chicken that was once alive than eating a lettuce that once was too? A more developed nervous system?
Not in the least bit valid - there are some pretty key differences between eating a plant and an animal, and anyone who suggests otherwise quite frankly probably has less functioning brain cells than teeth.tek-monkey said:He has a very valid point, at what point does a living thing go off the menu? And who draws that line?.
Cows, sheep, pigs and chickens would all continue to exist if people abstained from meat - and yes their natural population would be much smaller than the artificial population of billions that are bred on farms. Don't see a problem there. Worth mentioning that human abuse of the environment and animal kingdom has caused the extinction of many species and put a significant number on the endangered list.tek-monkey said:As long as they are raised ok, and slaughtered ok, then I have no issue. If we hadn't domesticated these animals for food many wouldn't exist, we'd have hunted them all down for destroying our crops.
And did "nature" intend for billions of animals to be kept in factory farms....?They are food, it is how nature intended.
http://www.staffordforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=9036tek-monkey said:Just ban breeding past one child per adult .
Indeed.Withnail said:http://www.staffordforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=9036tek-monkey said:Just ban breeding past one child per adult .
Does the UK really have an overpopulation problem...?tek-monkey said:We don't need to kill anyone, tempting though it may be. Just ban breeding past one child per adult (allowing a couple to have 2 kids). The mortality rate among kids is low, but will still result in a population reduction. If we have 3 million adults unemployed I suspect we could easily lose 2 million people without an issue.
It would also lower housing costs, road congestion and benefit payments.
Neatly side stepping all the issues there....tek-monkey said:Eggs are meant to raise young, yet some species of snake exist purely on them. Some of the larger monitor lizards eat their own young if they can catch them, with the young having to stay arboreal to survive. Nature intends us to eat what we need, the real problem is we have too many humans.
I'd cull them.
db said:i don't care about how it has ended up on my plate, really..
..we wouldn't have the enormous meat industry that we have these days and you wouldn't be making pointless arguments that no-one agrees with lol..
If you wish to trash henryscats opinions then so be it.Graham said:There seem to be a lot of 'anti' types who try and force their opinions on others… They're very welcome to the lifestyle if that's what pleases them but it sticks in my craw when they try to force opinions.
That wasn't really what this post was about...tek-monkey said:As for neatly sidestepping the issue, killing animals isn't an issue to me. It is to you, fair enough, but it doesn't bother me at all.
i did engage my brain, hence the points that followed that made a mockery of your "logic":henryscat said:Engage your brain and it might...db said:you've tried this one on me before and it just doesn't make any sense..
to an animal.. you are presuming that that means anything to me.. harvesting animals is the same as harvesting any other crop..henryscat said:There is a difference. Eating meat involves paying someone to kill and inflict harm on your behalf.db said:i can't build a bridge - does that mean i shouldn't use them?
i can't harvest & prepare tea - does that mean i shouldn't drink it?
etc.
i'm sure you will come back with some tenuous retort that no-one will agree with, but even if you manage to, it will be irrelevant - the point is, thanks to evolution, industrialisation, etc. we don't have to do that stuff.. someone out there farms, slaughters, and prepares the meat for us, so we don't have to.. i don't care about how it has ended up on my plate, really..
of course i would disagree, because your logic assumes that animals carry the same weight as humans in this argument.. as previously stated, this is a matter of opinion and moral position, an area in which you are grossly in the minority, i'm afraid..henryscat said:The extension of your logic is this: that Nazi officers in World War 2 were not guilty of war crimes and the Holocaust because they paid others to exterminate Jews on their behalf. Those giving the orders were just as guilty as those carrying out the crimes. Or would you disagree?
haven't i? how do you know? here are some of the well documented videos to which i referred, which i think demonstrates that many of us are well aware of what goes on..henryscat said:No you are not well informed, nor are the much of the population. Most people choose to live in ignorance of where their meat comes from. And on the latter point, no you haven't.db said:thanks to the internet and other modern media, we are all pretty well informed about how the manufacturing industry works.. we know our meat is mechanically separated, blasted from the bone with jets of water and mushed up.. we've seen the animals having a less than fun time of it..