Your political compass

[shoes]

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Seems about right.

i'm impressed - i tried my damnedest and still ended up as a shitting libertarian.. i think i'm probably not alone in thinking you hold some of the more hardline opinions 'pon the forum, so even taking that into account it's surprising to see you so close to centre.. makes me wonder how there other examples (tories, new labour, etc.) ended up top-right!

yeah i was expecting to be far more towards the top right tbh

 

[db]

perhaps it's a good job that i don't vote?

For f**k sake, seriously? You don't even spoil your ballot paper?

yeah, i've never voted in my life.. i even got a letter from tony blair urging me to vote when i turned 18, cos i was one of the youngest voters in the country (my birthday is 30th april, 1997 election was less than a week later) but that didn't do much to spur me on lol..

seriously, it's for the best.. i'm too easily swayed.. give me a few beers and put me in a room with my mate sam for 5 minutes and i'd be voting whatever crazy eco-warriors he's supporting atm.. likewise, stick me in a room with nick griffin and chances are i'd be gassing jews by the end of the night.. i'm not so bad now i'm getting on a bit, but i still don't trust myself to get hold of enough facts to make a sensible decision..

 

[shoes]

fair enough i reckon thats the sensible choice the based on what you said about how maliable your opinion is, although don't you feel like doing any research and making an informed decision?

truth is you're an intelligent reasonable bloke who would be more than capable of making such a decision with a little research, but you don't and yet due to the 'democracy' 1000's of people with warped views and those who are just wrong (BNP supporters for example) go ahead and vote when they have little or no idea what they are voting for. i just think its a shame thats all dude!

 

[db]

fair enough i reckon thats the sensible choice the based on what you said about how maliable your opinion is, although don't you feel like doing any research and making an informed decision?

truth is you're an intelligent reasonable bloke who would be more than capable of making such a decision with a little research, but you don't and yet due to the 'democracy' 1000's of people with warped views and those who are just wrong (BNP supporters for example) go ahead and vote when they have little or no idea what they are voting for. i just think its a shame thats all dude!

i feel like, no matter how much research i do, it is tainted by spin and hyperbole.. believe me, i have tried.. i would love to make a decision for the better of my country, but i just don't feel i can.. just when i think i have got a grasp on things, i'll have a chat with someone and they'll be all like "woah, you don't actually believe that, do you?? surely you realise this and this and this??".. then i'm back to square one!

these days, it seems even more futile, as there are basically only two parties to choose from and they seem to do near enough the same damage when they move in..

 

[Monquey]

these days, it seems even more futile, as there are basically only two parties to choose from and they seem to do near enough the same damage when they move in..

You do realise that there are in fact more than 2 parties to choose from? The whole idea - and it's by no means just you - that there are only 2 parties to choose from, therefore you should vote for one of them or it doesn't really matter or count is a fallacy, and more importantly it's why we suffer from a 2 party system. I wouldn't urge you to vote Green or Lib Dem if you don't agree with them, vote Monster Raving Loony Party if you like, or even spoil your paper. If we all keep voting Tory Labour Tory Labour Tory Labour nothing will ever change.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which

Just don't vote BNP.

As an aside, there's a slight possibility that Labour are so loved we may yet see Libs as a second party.

 

[ToriRat]

I think I'd give liberals a go just cos I'm a fair minded person and its their go on the swings. Plus I feel personally that the MonsterRaving have lost their direction and have actually made the odd sensible suggestion in recent years. Im still waiting for the free sex and beer party tbh

 

[Andreas Rex]

these days, it seems even more futile, as there are basically only two parties to choose from and they seem to do near enough the same damage when they move in..

I bet you'd vote for the Hardcore (Altern8-ive) Party if they were to stand again!

In 1992, Peat entered as a candidate for the Stafford constituency in the General Election representing the Hardcore (Altern8-ive) party. He polled 158 votes and finished in fourth place.

 

[The Hawk]

Viva la revolution:

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

Where's shoes? He must be somewhere on the blue side...

Apparently not, I was expecting that too though. In fact a lot higher up the Y axis also.

C'est la vie.

I was including purple when I said blue, I wasn't sure if you'd be above or below the line.

perhaps it's a good job that i don't vote?

For f**k sake, seriously? You don't even spoil your ballot paper?

Yeah, let them know you don't give a sh*t!

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

fair enough i reckon thats the sensible choice the based on what you said about how maliable your opinion is, although don't you feel like doing any research and making an informed decision?

truth is you're an intelligent reasonable bloke who would be more than capable of making such a decision with a little research, but you don't and yet due to the 'democracy' 1000's of people with warped views and those who are just wrong (BNP supporters for example) go ahead and vote when they have little or no idea what they are voting for. i just think its a shame thats all dude!

i feel like, no matter how much research i do, it is tainted by spin and hyperbole.. believe me, i have tried.. i would love to make a decision for the better of my country, but i just don't feel i can.. just when i think i have got a grasp on things, i'll have a chat with someone and they'll be all like "woah, you don't actually believe that, do you?? surely you realise this and this and this??".. then i'm back to square one!

these days, it seems even more futile, as there are basically only two parties to choose from and they seem to do near enough the same damage when they move in..

It's good to question - sometimes it takes a lot of questioning to find what you really believe in. Sometimes you'll do all the questioning, find something you really believe in and then start to question that.

At the end of the day, there are no right and wrong choices - even if a lot of people make a 'wrong' choice (such as voting BNP), there are ways of making things right again in the end (if the BNP end up in power, it might start a revolution and things would happen a lot quicker than they might have done - but some people might die a lot, so it's probably better not to). Just follow your instinct.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

these days, it seems even more futile, as there are basically only two parties to choose from and they seem to do near enough the same damage when they move in..

You do realise that there are in fact more than 2 parties to choose from? The whole idea - and it's by no means just you - that there are only 2 parties to choose from, therefore you should vote for one of them or it doesn't really matter or count is a fallacy, and more importantly it's why we suffer from a 2 party system. I wouldn't urge you to vote Green or Lib Dem if you don't agree with them, vote Monster Raving Loony Party if you like, or even spoil your paper. If we all keep voting Tory Labour Tory Labour Tory Labour nothing will ever change.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which

Just don't vote BNP.

As an aside, there's a slight possibility that Labour are so loved we may yet see Libs as a second party.

Couldn't have said it better.

Apologies for the multiple posts, it's just easier when quoting more than one post...

 

[Gramaisc]

but some people might die a lot

Usually just the once, so I'm led to believe.

 

[tek-monkey]

At the end of the day, there are no right and wrong choices - even if a lot of people make a 'wrong' choice (such as voting BNP), there are ways of making things right again in the end (if the BNP end up in power, it might start a revolution and things would happen a lot quicker than they might have done - but some people might die a lot, so it's probably better not to). Just follow your instinct.

Not sure I agree with this. There is no right and wrong, agreed, but a vote for the BNP is not a 'wrong' choice if that is what you believe in. A 'right' vote is a vote for the party who most aligns with your own personal point of view, irrespective of what others think of them. Using your vote to appease others is definitely a 'wrong' vote.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

At the end of the day, there are no right and wrong choices - even if a lot of people make a 'wrong' choice (such as voting BNP), there are ways of making things right again in the end (if the BNP end up in power, it might start a revolution and things would happen a lot quicker than they might have done - but some people might die a lot, so it's probably better not to). Just follow your instinct.

Not sure I agree with this. There is no right and wrong, agreed, but a vote for the BNP is not a 'wrong' choice if that is what you believe in. A 'right' vote is a vote for the party who most aligns with your own personal point of view, irrespective of what others think of them. Using your vote to appease others is definitely a 'wrong' vote.

So you're saying that racism, homophobia and chauvenism isn't wrong if that's what you believe in?

 

[tek-monkey]

I'm saying voting for a racist, homophobic chauvinistic party is the right decision, if you're a racist homophobic chauvinist. Otherwise what is the point in voting at all?

 

[Goldilox]

Workers unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains!

I actually thought I'd drifted centre-wards in recent years so god knows where I'd have been in my red-flag waving phase.

 

[Lunar Scorpion]

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Workers unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains!

I actually thought I'd drifted centre-wards in recent years so god knows where I'd have been in my red-flag waving phase.

Probably another couple of points or so to the left, about where I am (except I'm more libertarian). =)

 

[Gramaisc]

Viva la revolution:

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Apparently, The Hawk is In The News. I think that we should have been told.

 

[db]

these days, it seems even more futile, as there are basically only two parties to choose from and they seem to do near enough the same damage when they move in..

You do realise that there are in fact more than 2 parties to choose from? The whole idea - and it's by no means just you - that there are only 2 parties to choose from, therefore you should vote for one of them or it doesn't really matter or count is a fallacy, and more importantly it's why we suffer from a 2 party system. I wouldn't urge you to vote Green or Lib Dem if you don't agree with them, vote Monster Raving Loony Party if you like, or even spoil your paper. If we all keep voting Tory Labour Tory Labour Tory Labour nothing will ever change.

whilst that is true (i.e. if people only vote for tory or labour, then only tory or labour can win), i can't help but agree with the "fallacy" that there isn't any point in choosing the others.. if you want to make a point (which, imo, is futile in itself) then fair enough, but if you actually want you vote to count and mean something tangible then there is simply no point.. in theory, if a very large number of people shifted in one direction, this could change - but this would take a large, co-ordinated effort, because history has shown that it simply will not happen of its own accord:

general election 2005 results - the lib dem's got a third of the votes that the tories did! it's not like they're even snapping at anyone's heals; they're miles away from anyone..

if you have a compelling argument for who to vote for, and how it will genuinely make a difference (and by make a difference, i don't mean "blow a raspberry to 'the man' by spoiling your vote") i would genuinely love to hear it.. i'm not just being a belligerent daily star reader here, i honestly wish someone could instill faith in me and give me a reason to go to a voting booth

 

[Monquey]

general election 2005 results - the lib dem's got a third of the votes that the tories did! it's not like they're even snapping at anyone's heals; they're miles away from anyone..

No - they got a 3rd of the amount of seats that Conservatives won. Votes were 22% Lib Dems, 33% Tory, 37% Labour. (8% other). (If we had proportional representation that would have given Libs about 140 seats instead of 62 - but we don't). It's not hard, in the current political climate, to imagine that there could be a swing towards them. They won't win - I think a Tory government is inevitable (sadly) but they could gain a fair share of seats.

I'm not even saying you should vote Liberal - I'm not yet sure I will, but I sure as shit won't be voting Tory. But even 1 less seat in the Tory benches will be 1 less MP using Taxpayers money TO GET HIS farking MOAT CLEANED.