Buying your dead pig from Tesco or Sainsbury?

henryscat

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andy w said:
On that fact I agree with you. But getting back to my assertion that you would virtually wipe out all the farmed animals if there was no demand for their associated products.
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If people ceased eating meat and dairy there would indeed be a reduced population of species of animals that are currently farmed. I don't see why that is an issue.

It is a matter of supply and demand, and if farmers can't make money for keeping livestock then they will turn their land over for other land uses such as arable and woodland and won't want herds of animals roaming over the land eating the crops.
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It is true that the nature of farming and the landscape would change. A lot of the rural landscape is artificial in that it is defined by animal farming. Again, I don't see it as an issue if that were to change.

The only place that you would see cows, pigs, chickens etc would be in zoo's
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Not true, populations of these species could easily survive in the wild. There are already wild boar populations, mountain goats and such like. Sheep, cows, pigs and chickens would all be capable of surviving in the wild - just like they did before humans enslaved them. Besides which, the morality of zoos is another subject....
 
henryscat

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Trumpet said:
Buying your dead pig from Tesco or Sainsbury?

How does ASDA stack up in this with regards to sourcing their meat?
Had some pork loin steaks last night in a mosamon curry and have to say it was proper tasty.
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There's a thread for what you had for dinner last night - it isn't this one...
 
henryscat

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kyoto49 said:
Emotive subject eh!! Haven't read the entire thread, but most of it.

Firstly I'm a vegetarian for exactly the reasons the OP highlighted - the unnecessary cruelty to animals that are being reared for meat. Simple as that!

However, on the point of farrowing crates, apart from being very very cruel to the female pig, whilst they MAY stop the odd piglet from dying from being crushed, they certainly don't stop piglets dying. I used to work at Shugborough where they raised rare breeds and sows regularly had quite large litters. Sows were left in a stable type area with free access to crush their piglets................and guess what? Rarely, if ever did a piglet get crushed. The odd one dies of natural causes, but I only remember 1 piglet getting crushed. All this b/s about saving piglets from being crushed is just b/s to try and justify the incredibly cruel imprisonment of a sentient creature. Imagine pregnant women getting treated like that. Having said all that, they are supposed to banned in the UK from this year?

If people are going to eat meat then with that comes a responsibility to ensure that the animals raised are raised in the best manner possible for the needs of the animal to be met. If that means meat costs a little more then so be it............eat better meat less often. The western world eats far too much meat anyway!

This page puts a reasonably balanced view of what pigs should get to prevent unnecessary cruelty:

http://ciwf.org.uk/what_we_do/pigs/state_of_eu_pigs/pig_welfare_explained.aspx
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On this very subject, the RSPCA are condoning a new type of farrowing crate in factory farming:

http://www.ashbournenewstelegraph.c...f-approval-to-pig-producer-20130801140424.htm

It has to be said that they appear to have forgotten the title of their charity.
 
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henryscat said:
Sheep, cows, pigs and chickens would all be capable of surviving in the wild - just like they did before humans enslaved them.
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While i'm not hugely sure that this is not the case, i am not massively convinced that it is.

I have no doubt that chickens would make it - brutal animals, chickens - but the cows and pigs would have a rough time of it, as well as those sheep that have been 'genetically engineered' for their fleeciness. Would this 'in the wild' of which you speak contain predators?

'Enslaved' is an emotive word - it has to be said that the history of animal husbandry is an unknown, and in many ways unknowable, one. I have read some of the things you have linked to previously upon this subject with the kind of incredulity i generally reserve for that species of human most noted for their swivelling eyes.
 
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Trumpet said:
Buying your dead pig from Tesco or Sainsbury?

How does ASDA stack up in this with regards to sourcing their meat?
Had some pork loin steaks last night in a mosamon curry and have to say it was proper tasty.
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henryscat said:
There's a thread for what you had for dinner last night - it isn't this one...
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trumpet had a legitimate question about how asda sources their meat and how they treat your precious little animals compared to the supermarkets you have chosen to single out, which is perfectly relevant to this thread..

feel free to ignore him though, as you do with any other comments that don't fit on your little soapbox..
 
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Birch twigs do fall naturally and it should usually be possible to gather enough fallen twigs to make a device adequate for self-flagellation.
 
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I think they are part of modern farming and we'd have a lot less food if we didn't use them, but I'm an animal murdering mofo.
 
kyoto49

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henryscat said:
On this very subject, the RSPCA are condoning a new type of farrowing crate in factory farming:

http://www.ashbournenewstelegraph.c...f-approval-to-pig-producer-20130801140424.htm

It has to be said that they appear to have forgotten the title of their charity.
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They are a marginal improvemnt on the old style, but I feel that pig producers are doing the minimum to circumvent the new rules, rather than making a genuine attempt to improve the lives of these poor creatures.

What I find most shocking is the number of people who genuinely just don't care that animals bred for food are so poorly treated, or those who talk about caring but continue to eat meat that has been produced using incredibly cruel methods.

If you care about animals and don't want to go veggie then buy free range...........it might cost a few pence more, but the benefit to the animal is a massive improvement in their welfare during their short lives. Anyone who drives between Rugeley and Lichfield will see the big free range pig farm on the left. It's not an unusual thing nowadays and free range meat is really not hard to find or expensive. And that little bit of thought from the consumer, when mulitplied by lots of consumers becomes a very powerful thing. Look at battery eggs, they have become the exception rather than the rule, and it's up to each and every meat eater to do the right thing and chose free range if they want to see change in the way meat is produced. Money talks and supermarkets who are aiming to maximise profits will listen when the consumer demands things.
 
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henryscat said:
On this very subject, the RSPCA are condoning a new type of farrowing crate in factory farming:

http://www.ashbournenewstelegraph.c...f-approval-to-pig-producer-20130801140424.htm

It has to be said that they appear to have forgotten the title of their charity.
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Whilst it is very difficult to make out a lot from the photo it does appear to be a great improvement from the old farrowing crate.

If you are so concerned about animal welfare you should be campaigning to have all imports of meat banned from countries that do not have as high welfare standards as the UK.
 
Gramaisc

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Hetairoi said:
If you are so concerned about animal welfare you should be campaigning to have all imports of meat banned from countries that do not have as high welfare standards as the UK.
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To be fair, Henry is campaigning to stop the consumption of meat and dairy products - and with some energy and persistence.
 
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As much as I disagree with HC I do admire his passion. I'd have given up long ago.
 
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