The Big Benefits & Employment Thread

Rikki

Well-Known Forumite
From what my gf say they don't really make you do anything bar fill in forms saying what you have done. She's been claiming for a couple of months now but signing off as she starts her first teaching post in September. Everytime she went in they barely spoke to her. Also apparently your entitled to nothing if you have a job lined up to start but don't continue to look for work.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
From what Moose says, not a lot. Plus as more people are now on the dole they have less time to weed out the wasters, so more can get away with doing nowt. When I claimed they really didn't care either, think I'd slit my wrists if I worked in that place though!

EDIT: Thats a lie, I'd get another job.
 

Lunar Scorpion

Anarchy in the UK
tek-monkey said:
Lunar Scorpion said:
That's what you'd like to think...
Which bit? Seems stupid to take money off you for working, as it gives you less incentive to work. Much better to let you earn as much as you can in those hours, but give you a very basic JSA.
What you are proposing sounds very similar to this.
 

Lunar Scorpion

Anarchy in the UK
shoes said:
Lunar "I just do't get it" Scorpion said:
16 hours:
16 x £5.73 = £91.68 (not liable for NI or Income Tax)
Council Tax Benefit = £6.24
Housing Benefit = £30.68
Total = £128.60

Difference = £8.43 per week in favour of working - and I would still be taking £36.92 without giving anything back, except possibly profits to some corporation.
So does this mean you would have to cover the rest of the council tax then? Because thats a pretty hefty sum to come out of your monthly £514.40.
Indeed it is, if you look back you will see that I included my JSA, Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit as income. I did the same here, except the main income is wages. Therefore the comparison is equivalent in every way (bar the free prescriptions and dental treatment - which I very rarely have anyway, and would probably be paid in full, or at least in part, if I applied for a HC2 certificate).
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Lunar Scorpion said:
tek-monkey said:
Lunar Scorpion said:
That's what you'd like to think...
Which bit? Seems stupid to take money off you for working, as it gives you less incentive to work. Much better to let you earn as much as you can in those hours, but give you a very basic JSA.
What you are proposing sounds very similar to this.
Interesting, only skim read it but apart from the obvious housing benefits issue seems good. As long as the scheme did not effect the actual income tax rates anyway, as you are now funding everyone not just those not working. As it is a flat 33% doesn't sound too bad, but would this really fund the outgoings listed? Rich people would love this, 7% off their tax bill.
 

Lunar Scorpion

Anarchy in the UK
shoes said:
Lunar Scorpion said:
tek-monkey said:
So working 16 hours a week gets you £8? There really is no incentive to get the arse scratchers moving is there?

Benefits used to be capped, my mum was allowed to earn a tenner a week and anything else came off her benefits. Think nowadays they let you do as you please don't they?
That's what you'd like to think...
Ok so what do you ACTUALLY have to do these days to get your money? How many jobs do they MAKE you apply for? How many interviews do you HAVE to attend? Do they check with people who interviewed you that you didn't act like a twat just to avoid getting the job?
You have to sign a Jobseeker's Agreement, which requires you to take at least three steps each week to find employment. If they have decided that you have not done this, you are more than likely to have your money docked. You have to attend the nearest Jobcentre every two weeks (without travel cost reimbursement, I once spoke to someone who ended up walking from Stone) ON TIME, which means that even if you are only 5 minutes late for your appointment they could still make an issue of it, despite the fact that I have consistently been seen 15-20 minutes late. If you are lucky enough to have been signing on for 6 months or more, they start putting you on various courses or placements under New Deal that you HAVE to attend to receive your money - these can be all day, 5 days a week. Thankfully, the Disability Employment Adviser is satisfied that I am doing enough (at the time I was doing a six week course one day a week with similar content that I would not have been able to attend otherwise, as well as doing my voluntary work) so with the agreement of the New Deal Adviser I didn't have to do it.
 

Lunar Scorpion

Anarchy in the UK
tek-monkey said:
Lunar Scorpion said:
tek-monkey said:
Which bit? Seems stupid to take money off you for working, as it gives you less incentive to work. Much better to let you earn as much as you can in those hours, but give you a very basic JSA.
What you are proposing sounds very similar to this.
Interesting, only skim read it but apart from the obvious housing benefits issue seems good. As long as the scheme did not effect the actual income tax rates anyway, as you are now funding everyone not just those not working. As it is a flat 33% doesn't sound too bad, but would this really fund the outgoings listed? Rich people would love this, 7% off their tax bill.
I think there might be some kind of limit on earnings or additional tax. I would hope so, anyway. Don't know all the ins and outs of it, except that it's also a Green Party policy.
 

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
I would be £90pcm worse off in that scheme than I am now, so not great for me.

Also, just a thought here, if our income tax doesn't even cover benefits what pays for the rest of the country?
 

Gramaisc

Forum O. G.
There's more to tax than Income Tax - VAT, Corporation Tax, Inheritance Tax, Fuel Duty, Alcohol Duty, Tobacco Duty, etc. - I won't go on, but the list is almost endless....

Edit:- I really wish I'd done the typing with the chicks now, instead of the metalwork...
 

basil

don't mention the blinds
Airport Departure Tax, Car Tax, Tin Tacks, and also the Daily Mail favourite...Stealth Tax.....
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
Lunar Scorpion said:
You have to sign a Jobseeker's Agreement, which requires you to take at least three steps each week to find employment.
Three steps a week? I complete upwards of 20 tasks in one morning which are all the equivelent of at least two or three job application forms!!

Lunar Scorpion said:
If they have decided that you have not done this, you are more than likely to have your money docked.
If you can't make three applications a week you deserve to have it docked!!

Lunar Scorpion said:
You have to attend the nearest Jobcentre every two weeks (without travel cost reimbursement, I once spoke to someone who ended up walking from Stone) ON TIME, which means that even if you are only 5 minutes late for your appointment they could still make an issue of it, despite the fact that I have consistently been seen 15-20 minutes late.
Ah yes, because you're sooooooooooooooooooooo busy filling in all six of those applications. God, it's like a full time job!!

Again late=no money is fine by me. If i turn in late for work I get a bollocking.

Lunar Scorpion said:
If you are lucky enough to have been signing on for 6 months or more, they start putting you on various courses or placements under New Deal that you HAVE to attend to receive your money - these can be all day, 5 days a week.
Oh no... you mean almost like full time work?! You poor poor people :(

Why don't they just assess which people need this help and action that immediately?

Lunar Scorpion said:
Thankfully, the Disability Employment Adviser is satisfied that I am doing enough (at the time I was doing a six week course one day a week with similar content that I would not have been able to attend otherwise, as well as doing my voluntary work) so with the agreement of the New Deal Adviser I didn't have to do it.
And thats the problem, these people left to their own devices can't achieve sweet FA, clearly, thats why we have such an unemployment problem, not even counting the additional 500,000 jobless since the economy crashed.

So you no longer on DLA but your 'disability' absolves you from new deal. Great.
 

DaveDon'tRave

Well-Known Forumite
i dont get yoose lot man, ya all talking bout maffs and sumz yeh, like u still at skool or sumting, i fort yoose all like got jobs and dat, but u spending bear time chatting crazy bout all this stuff, how comes u got so much time to do it? like me man i got noffink to do coz i aint no fool to be working, i suck a woopsy man and im free to live how i wana live ya getz me! and dis lunar chick man, if u spents some more time tryin' to earn money yo' u wudnt 'ave so much time to spend arguin' bout noffink. if yoose happy with your lot, like me den who cares wot fools say 'bout u. i'll suck any woopsy for cash me, ya getz me!
 

djstaffs

Well-Known Forumite
Hello....sorry been gone for a day or so, wow how things have moved on. Can i just ask, if all those sums and figures that have been quoted on this thread are true how come all them there benefit people have nice new big TVs, PC and laptops, cars, stereos, holidays, lovely track suits, big name trainers, bikes, tatoos, piercings, fags and booze. I have a borrowed laptop as cant afford to buy my own, holidays are weekends scrounged at friends caravans, TV is second hand Tube type, stereo is 7 year old sale bargain, car cheap through friend in the trade but 10+ years old and rotting, dont smoke and can only afford occasional beer, yet i work full time and my wife works as many hours as is eocnomical (work more have to pay more child care!). So please someone tell me how that works.....why do benefit scrongers have so much more than us who work hard and long??

Oh and Lunar asked for examples, My brother, my sister and brother in law, their neighbors, the arogant person who gave me such shit at work today as i was trying to keep that son of a bitch alive.....i did not need to hear about how he was taking his camper van to the south of france.
 

shoes

Well-Known Forumite
you know walking through my estate (Kingston hill) you don't notice much difference on the cars on the driveways to when you're in highfields. It makes me sick to think that all the hard working folk on the hill get the same as some lazy bunch of bastards....grrrrrrrrrrrr
 

djstaffs

Well-Known Forumite
shoes said:
you know walking through my estate (Kingston hill) you don't notice much difference on the cars on the driveways to when you're in highfields. It makes me sick to think that all the hard working folk on the hill get the same as some lazy bunch of bastards....grrrrrrrrrrrr
Anybody want to dispute this? Because if you can or if you can defend why this should be so it should make for interesting discussion...
 
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