John Marwood
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Rhetoric and the gullible - feed the hate, get elected
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Rhetoric and the gullible - feed the hate, get elected
John Marwood
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basil
don't mention the blinds
As old Hopalong said
You ain't seen nothing yet......
edit, he spaketh post BTO ('Bachman Turner Overdrive)......
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Studio Tan
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John Marwood
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Meanwhile.
Out of the headlines
Something difficult to understand
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37920692
Understanding is difficult folks
Out of the headlines
Something difficult to understand
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37920692
Understanding is difficult folks
hop
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I can see why a vote for trump or brexit might appeal to a factory worker, but ultimately it will not work. The smart choice would be for them to reskill.
If someone is working in a factory in the developed world they need to get more skills. Traditional fabrication and manufacturing is dead, with most tasks now being replaced by CNC. I have a few projects which involve fabrication and have created gcode which means a machine can make identical products each time.
Whole areas of work will disappear and be replaced by automation.
Gramaisc
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Most of what politicians say they're going to do never happens, it's just to get simpletons to vote for them.
To be fair, it's not really their fault, the system, and the electorate, gives them little choice but to play the game that way.
It's not really the simpletons' fault either, they can only vote for what they believe to really be on offer.
Obama promised to close Guantanamo, but, almost eight years later, it is still in use. Etc...
Bush Snr. was daft enough to promise No New Taxes..
To be fair, it's not really their fault, the system, and the electorate, gives them little choice but to play the game that way.
It's not really the simpletons' fault either, they can only vote for what they believe to really be on offer.
Obama promised to close Guantanamo, but, almost eight years later, it is still in use. Etc...
Bush Snr. was daft enough to promise No New Taxes..
Yes there is a luddite tendency to resist change but if companies and the country wants to survive then higher productivity and efficiency is required. The great unknown is how many jobs will be lost to automation and AI, and a number of non manufacturing jobs will also be lost (for instance, how long until automated vans and lorries come online?).
The challenge for politicians of all countries is how these advancements can be utilised to benefit people and what can be done to replace the loss of jobs. And that is where the UK and US governments have failed over the past 40 years that has seen de industrialisation and closure of the coal industry. Not enough has been done to regenerate the 'rust belt' towns which has led to the feeling that they have been forgotten. Much more has to be done to move government out of London.
Also it makes you wonder if we are training enough tradespersons and qualified healthcare workers when we are importing them from overseas. Again people feel that their best interests aren't being looked after.
The challenge for politicians of all countries is how these advancements can be utilised to benefit people and what can be done to replace the loss of jobs. And that is where the UK and US governments have failed over the past 40 years that has seen de industrialisation and closure of the coal industry. Not enough has been done to regenerate the 'rust belt' towns which has led to the feeling that they have been forgotten. Much more has to be done to move government out of London.
Also it makes you wonder if we are training enough tradespersons and qualified healthcare workers when we are importing them from overseas. Again people feel that their best interests aren't being looked after.
Gramaisc
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Automation is not just about manual tasks, a lot of administrative jobs may start to feel the pinch as systems become more efficient and not rely so much on what is really just manual data entry. A lot of manual tasks are a long way from being automated, it will be a long time before somebody unblocks your drains remotely, and some tasks may even expand as people in general become rather less practical. I know people who genuinely would struggle to open the bonnet on their car.
Things change all the time - thirty years ago there were typists a-plenty.
The rust-belt towns here have been forgotten and I'll be surprised if there is ever any genuine effort to restore them. Places like Redcar and Hartlepool, etc., have been like that for the whole of living memory.
Training and qualifications are all very well, but ability is what matters. I've spent considerable time repairing a new house built about ten years ago by people trained and qualified here.
Things change all the time - thirty years ago there were typists a-plenty.
The rust-belt towns here have been forgotten and I'll be surprised if there is ever any genuine effort to restore them. Places like Redcar and Hartlepool, etc., have been like that for the whole of living memory.
Training and qualifications are all very well, but ability is what matters. I've spent considerable time repairing a new house built about ten years ago by people trained and qualified here.
Gramaisc
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Good luck with that.
Some of us can remember being told that nuclear power was going to be so cheap that it wouldn't be worth metering it.
If we're relying on the Americans to start this, then consider the venomous response to Obama's healthcare plans.
People rarely give wealth away.
Withnail
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Indeed.
Only when their life depends upon it do they do so.
I'm actually quite scared.
Withnail
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I'm a proper child of the end game of the Cold War.
I remember, though young, Maggie being made PM - it was,if you can believe it, the talk of the playground.
Reagan was at least as scary as Trump.
I remember being genuinely terrified of the MAD-ness - i can still vividly recall a number of terrifying dreams where i did/didn't survive the nuclear holocaust that was mutually assured to destroy my waking world at a moments notice.
Once i hid in a Monopoly box, with the car and the hat and the dog and the iron, trembling, waiting to see whether my brothers, my mother, my father had made it through too. I remember the fear as we tentatively lifted the box top up to see what was left of the world...
I have never been that scared since.
Except for that one time when, tbf, it could have gone either way.
I am approaching that sort of scared now. It is worse when one is scared not just for oneself.
Gramaisc
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I spent most of my childhood in the midst of the nuclear deliver arrangements of the time and rested easy in the assumption that a lot of it probably wouldn't work. I was more worried about ours than theirs.
Then we went submarine and the actual delivery system became a bit more plausible, but it all still seems a bit Heath Robinson. The Navy, if we are to believe them, claimed recently that they were unaware that they had actually hit a fishing boat with a submarine and dragged it for some distance. How they expect to find things that are actively hiding from them seems a bit problematical.
'We' rarely bomb anybody who poses a serious risk of fighting back.
Then we went submarine and the actual delivery system became a bit more plausible, but it all still seems a bit Heath Robinson. The Navy, if we are to believe them, claimed recently that they were unaware that they had actually hit a fishing boat with a submarine and dragged it for some distance. How they expect to find things that are actively hiding from them seems a bit problematical.
'We' rarely bomb anybody who poses a serious risk of fighting back.
Withnail
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What will 'We' look like, NATO-wise, without the USA?
Ou sont les Snowdens of yesteryear?
USA!USA!USA!