Coronavirus.

[Lucy]

The 3 classic symptoms are bollocks now the Delta is around isn't it? Zoe is probably the way to go though.

 

[tek-monkey]

I only have the standard NHS covid app, not the ZOE one. Most hits on the google store for just 'zoe' seem to be about lesbian dating

 

[cj1]

Not completely useless as there still in the top 10 symptoms but not as good as once we're when they were in the top 3

 

[cj1]

I only have the standard NHS covid app, not the ZOE one. Most hits on the google store for just 'zoe' seem to be about lesbian dating

search "Covid symptom study" by Zoe global ltd

 

[SketchyMagpie]

Nicking this from James O'Brien's radio show but, given the likelihood that Javid's predecessor would not be pursuing the same extremes in terms of dropping all restrictions, isn't it weird to think that the single most defining factor in the government's current approach to covid is Matt Hancock getting off with his aid on CCTV?

 

[cj1]

To be fair with immunity in the population at 90% and being summer its probably a good time to lift restrictions as the NHS won't be suffering from The winter pressures so better equipped to deal with the few remaining covid hospitalisations that the vax programme misses. Lifting restrictions now will allow immunity to increase further putting us in best position possible for the possible difficult winter to come.

 

[tek-monkey]

Nicking this from James O'Brien's radio show but, given the likelihood that Javid's predecessor would not be pursuing the same extremes in terms of dropping all restrictions, isn't it weird to think that the single most defining factor in the government's current approach to covid is Matt Hancock getting off with his aid on CCTV?

It is certainly convenient, it also means furlough can be wound up without complaint as nobody is forced to shut anymore regardless of how many corpses we get.

 

[tek-monkey]

To be fair with immunity in the population at 90% and being summer its probably a good time to lift restrictions as the NHS won't be suffering from The winter pressures so better equipped to deal with the few remaining covid hospitalisations that the vax programme misses. Lifting restrictions now will allow immunity to increase further putting us in best position possible for the possible difficult winter to come.

Where did the 90% come from? Nobody under 20 has both jabs yet, and it's only 95% in the over 50s?

 

[cj1]

immunity from jabs or infection. From what I've read 1 jab will gave a positive on the immunity test used for the study. The range for that immunity figure was 88.2% to 91.3%

 

[SketchyMagpie]

To be fair with immunity in the population at 90% and being summer its probably a good time to lift restrictions as the NHS won't be suffering from The winter pressures so better equipped to deal with the few remaining covid hospitalisations that the vax programme misses. Lifting restrictions now will allow immunity to increase further putting us in best position possible for the possible difficult winter to come.

The counter arguments in terms of providing scenarios whereby mutation seems inevitable (such as night clubs and indoor gathering) and also the fact that opening up is locking millions of vulnerable people inside or putting them at greater risk outweigh all that, for me. Chris Whitty himself said this week that we should be keeping infection rates down at all costs whereas Javid is basically gloating about how high they're going to get. Besides which is not simply a matter of "should all restrictions be dropped", its that they're all being dropped at once that is being derided as reckless.

The "personal responsibility" approach to mask-wearing absolutely misses the point that it is not personal responsibility you're taking when choosing to wear one, it's the opposite of personal. As one example I heard recounted this week, people with lung conditions etc can choose not to go to nightclubs or pubs but many have to go to the supermarket or use public transport and how are they supposed to exercise their personal responsibility when it's other people's lack of mask-wearing that puts them at risk?

Sorry but you're not going to convince me that having the most basic levels of measures such as masks indoors and testing for entry to indoor events where people will have close contact is less reasonable than dropping absolutely everything at this point in time. "Living with the virus", to me, does not mean acting like it doesn't exist. Not everybody is fortunate or healthy enough to be able to do that.

All that temporary immunity is useless if the virus learns to evade it, which it will have an astronomically increased chance of doing so post July 19th.

 

[tek-monkey]

immunity from jabs or infection. From what I've read 1 jab will gave a positive on the immunity test used for the study. The range for that immunity figure was 88.2% to 91.3%

About 1/3 of our population (the youngest) have had no jab, and loads of people above that age have chosen not to have it. The figures you give are too precise to be off the top of your head, can you share a link to them please? I'd be amazed if we can have 90% immunity with 60% at best vaccination.

EDIT: And the jab is only 95% effective against common covid, less so against delta, so even 100% vaccination would be hard pushed to give 90% immunity?

 

[littleme]

Been really tired for days, but can't really remember the drive in today, forgot where I'd parked, got very little done and as soon as I got home pulled a blanket over me and stayed on the sofa. I don't feel ill as such, but very hot and absolutely no energy.

Guess I'm due a test

Another option is to phone 119 and see if you can get a pcr test through them?

 

[SketchyMagpie]

About 1/3 of our population (the youngest) have had no jab, and loads of people above that age have chosen not to have it. The figures you give are too precise to be off the top of your head, can you share a link to them please? I'd be amazed if we can have 90% immunity with 60% at best vaccination.

the stats quoted are indeed accurate. This accounts for people who have antibodies from infection as well as the vaccines https://www.statista.com/chart/23961/uk-share-with-covid-antibodies/

 

[tek-monkey]

the stats quoted are indeed accurate. This accounts for people who have antibodies from infection as well as the vaccines https://www.statista.com/chart/23961/uk-share-with-covid-antibodies/

If those are correct, is it only the 10% without antibodies getting hit right now? If so it's hitting them hard, if not the figures don't mean safe?

 

[tek-monkey]

If those are correct, is it only the 10% without antibodies getting hit right now? If so it's hitting them hard, if not the figures don't mean safe?

Ah, the figures ignore the largest unvaccinated group (kids). I'd like to know where they randomly selected the people for the samples, with those more likely to help also by definition being those more likely to be jabbed. Unless they were took in the lab from samples for other things, but I'd suspect that wasn't allowed.

 

[SketchyMagpie]

I don't know the specifics in terms of that data but it has been observed that people with antibodies can still get infected so I'd expect some of those becoming infected are within that percentage bracket.

And aye, as far as I'm aware, people are actively selected for antibody tests as I recall reading an article about what happens if you're selected, last year.

 

[tek-monkey]

I don't know the specifics in terms of that data but it has been observed that people with antibodies can still get infected so I'd expect some of those becoming infected are within that percentage bracket.

And aye, as far as I'm aware, people are actively selected for antibody tests as I recall reading an article about what happens if you're selected, last year.

This is what concerns me, if people read this as we're 90% safe they'll stop being careful. Or rather, stop pretending to be careful in many cases. This figure does not seem to mean safe.

 

[tek-monkey]

Do you want me to collect one and drop it off?

Thanks a lot for this, much appreciated.

Test is negative, so I just have general run of the mill plague.

 

[Thehooperman]

The counter arguments in terms of providing scenarios whereby mutation seems inevitable (such as night clubs and indoor gathering) and also the fact that opening up is locking millions of vulnerable people inside or putting them at greater risk outweigh all that, for me. Chris Whitty himself said this week that we should be keeping infection rates down at all costs whereas Javid is basically gloating about how high they're going to get. Besides which is not simply a matter of "should all restrictions be dropped", its that they're all being dropped at once that is being derided as reckless.

The "personable responsibility" approach to mask-wearing absolutely misses the point that it is not personal responsibility you're taking when choosing to wear one, it's the opposite of personal. As one example I heard recounted this week, people with lung conditions etc can choose not to go to nightclubs or pubs but many have to go to the supermarket or use public transport and how are they supposed to exercise their personal responsibility when it comes to asking people around them to wear a mask for their safety?

Sorry but you're not going to convince me that having the most basic levels of measures such as masks indoors and testing for entry to indoor events where people will have close contact is less reasonable than dropping absolutely everything at this point in time. "Living with the virus", to me, does not mean acting like it doesn't exist. Not everybody is fortunate or healthy enough to be able to do that.

All that temporary immunity is useless if the virus learns to evade it, which it will have an astronomically increased chance of doing so post July 19th.

Well said.

 

[Thehooperman]

Thanks a lot for this, much appreciated.

Test is negative, so I just have general run of the mill plague.

Shall I pop round and paint a cross on your front door?