tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
So you shared it because it gets across your message, even though you don't trust the source? Or do you consider him reliable?
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gilbert grape
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I consider the raising of the information, not only by Brigden but the members of other parties, in the House is probably the start of something that will grow. After all, for all the ridiculing you little lot have given me and a few others on here, every post or video like the one here is now drawing hundreds or thousands of comments in agreements. Good luck with stepping into the masses and making jokes about tin hats and nut jobs. Go on! You seem brave enough!
I think the question is, how hard will the drug companies and government (or some of it) bear up to the reality of people being ill and the data being released? I'll guess a lot more media manipulation and millions more Euros going into hiding the truth.
I am saying this, not as an anti vaxer but somebody who had 3 and then saw the amount of contradictory evidence as well as 3 friends who died of whatever they were told on the certificate, but most of us know different!
SketchyMagpie
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And a Happy New Year.
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gilbert grape
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Nasty!!!
Those people do and say what they do, not to be right or have an upper hand but because they care and don’t want people to suffer!
You haven’t taken a human stance or shown empathy in any of your posts trying to “take me down” and I find that more disturbing! Lots are driven by the fact they’ve lost people or know people who have been very ill. The virus has affected people who were fully ‘treated’ or not at all. There’s still no full proof that it saved anybody.
Those people do and say what they do, not to be right or have an upper hand but because they care and don’t want people to suffer!
You haven’t taken a human stance or shown empathy in any of your posts trying to “take me down” and I find that more disturbing! Lots are driven by the fact they’ve lost people or know people who have been very ill. The virus has affected people who were fully ‘treated’ or not at all. There’s still no full proof that it saved anybody.
tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Have I missed a post? What was nasty?
SketchyMagpie
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I originally responded to his post before deciding I can't be arsed with his ranting, there was nothing particularly nasty beyond saying I think he's been radicalised and I can believe there are hundreds of thousands of people who agree with him because I'm often aghast at the things the general public believe.
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tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
Tbh anyone who uses a known liar to illustrate their point has already lost any credibility, if it really was to show what so many are now saying then one of those many saying it would have been a better example.
It's a bit like that sandy hook denier, people still post his stuff like he's a viable source because it's what they want to believe.
Gramaisc
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Ten years of it...
BBC Radio 4 - The Sandy Hook Deniers
The conspiracy theorists who say the Sandy Hook mass shooting never happened.
gilbert grape
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So am I!
Theresa Green
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SketchyMagpie
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See, we can agree on some things!
They’ve got a new vaccine for it. Only available to football fans.
gilbert grape
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Just went back to check those links. The Times one has been removed and the Full Fact one has already been proved as wrong as the figures are moving, as stated in his speech. Lots of the Full Fa t stuff is highly debatable and I dont use it.
SketchyMagpie
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The Times article is still up, it must be an issue with the formatting of the link since I put it in brackets. This is the same link, fixed: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ied-about-conduct-in-family-dispute-hplmlxmmx
It is behind a pay wall though so if you want to read the full story, here's an alternative https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/leicestershire-mp-lied-court-over-6969502
It is behind a pay wall though so if you want to read the full story, here's an alternative https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/leicestershire-mp-lied-court-over-6969502
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tek-monkey
wanna see my snake?
So was the full fact one wrong at time of issue, or things have changed since? Dare I ask for a link?
gilbert grape
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I'll acknowledge that and I had heard about it some time ago.
The difference is, this speech is made with no self interest and is standing up for doing the right thing. There are loads of such speeches by people worldwide that get posted but then miraculously taken off platforms. I've had more conversations with people per month, than ever, where they say they'll not be taking another jab due to all that they have seen and heard. I've spoken with a very close friend today who lost their Father in law to be (at the time) and although they gave certain reasons for his death, all around him knew the real reason but have never fought it due to the grief they've felt. There are thousands of families out there that are probably the same. This drug is showing figures for reactions way above any other vaccine that has ever been in circulation. That's been my view for some time and that increase in news that only a minority send their reactions into the yellow card system, and that is what they use for reporting. is a concern. I've had another friend who had flu jab and booster last week and they've been totally wiped out for the week. That's another self employed person losing a week of earnings. Again, replicate this across the nation and you see why the minority has grown substantially to say "Another Jab? No thanks"
I've taken medication to keep me alive since I was 10. I generally know what I've taken and why I've taken it. I've never lived trough a time when I've heard so much negativity and seen so much proof hidden about something, while people that seemingly know everything talk down to you because it's the same as any other vaccine we've ever had! History will eventually prove that this wasn't the same.
Figures currently from the Government will obviously emphasise the narrative for their agenda ie protecting themselves through an incoming shitstorm!
Figures from people digging around for proof of the failure of something passed off as saving global humanity will be what it is! Harsh and hard to swallow!
The figures for how many people the jabs have actually protected are quite concerning. The fact that so many have still had covid pretty badly after having all the jabs also tells you a story! The mantra "It will protect those in certain groups" should surely mean those in those groups should have only had the campaign aimed at them?
We are getting closer to 2023 and the time when they are due to release all of their data. I see a public backlash when those that don't know, will act with surprise IF they release the truth.
gilbert grape
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SketchyMagpie
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Unfortunately much of that is based on incorrect information, Gilbert, even though I know it came from the heart.
The source of the low reporting claim is data published by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (this is confirmed by Bridgen), but they themselves say that the data does not apply to Covid vaccines because it predates the global health crisis with its increased messaging and also that rates of awareness and Covid reporting ARE high. Again, that is the actual source of the claim that rates of reporting are low who are debunking it, so it's not true.
The latest vaccine surveillance report suggests that the Covid 19 vaccines still offer extremely high rates of protection against hospitalisation and death, peaking from mid-80s to mid-90s percentile between all age groups 2 weeks after a booster:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...-surveillance-report-week-48-2022.pdf#page=12
I know you said that you don't trust the government figures because you think they are massaged to perpetuate a myth but I don't know what figures you could be referring to as concerning if not the official ones?
Here's an early Christmas present for you: there is one area in which the above doc proves that the vaccines offer very little protection, which is against symptomatic disease after infection (or "long covid", as we call it).
The source of the low reporting claim is data published by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (this is confirmed by Bridgen), but they themselves say that the data does not apply to Covid vaccines because it predates the global health crisis with its increased messaging and also that rates of awareness and Covid reporting ARE high. Again, that is the actual source of the claim that rates of reporting are low who are debunking it, so it's not true.
The latest vaccine surveillance report suggests that the Covid 19 vaccines still offer extremely high rates of protection against hospitalisation and death, peaking from mid-80s to mid-90s percentile between all age groups 2 weeks after a booster:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...-surveillance-report-week-48-2022.pdf#page=12
I know you said that you don't trust the government figures because you think they are massaged to perpetuate a myth but I don't know what figures you could be referring to as concerning if not the official ones?
Here's an early Christmas present for you: there is one area in which the above doc proves that the vaccines offer very little protection, which is against symptomatic disease after infection (or "long covid", as we call it).
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SketchyMagpie
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Also, I have sympathy for your self-employed friend. As a comic artist, I had almost no paid work between March 2020 and November 2021 what with shops closing (publishers had to cancel projects with nowhere to sell them) and comic cons having to postpone and repostpone (80% of my income came from those appearances). So I have felt the impact of all the measures, too, I genuinely thought I'd have to give up my self-employment at one point... I was mere months away before it turned around for me.
It's fine to be annoyed at losing a week's work due to vaccine after effects, but would that necessarily stop them from getting vaccinated again...?
It's fine to be annoyed at losing a week's work due to vaccine after effects, but would that necessarily stop them from getting vaccinated again...?
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gilbert grape
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Vaccine damage figures are way behind what they should be as most people shrug off effects as something that happens or have a rant on Facebook about it and so nothing else. The number of times I’ve pointed people towards the yellow card system and they have no knowledge of it, is astounding. Millions spent on forcing the jab on people but no publicity on what to do after you dint feel right. Millions more on promotion but no national publicity on telling people to boost their stems and take vitamins to help their recovery, from most Illnesses?
Makes the coercion, control and messaging even stronger, as stated in the government’s own documentation.
Makes the coercion, control and messaging even stronger, as stated in the government’s own documentation.