Coronavirus.

tek-monkey

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"Just under 227,000 people died in the UK with Covid-19 listed as one of the causes on their death certificate. This includes those who had not been tested for the virus prior to their death."
www.bbc.co.uk

Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers

Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.
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UK population roughly 67,500,000

So roughly 0.3% of the population died, agreed?


The UK has 650 MPs, not sure what your metric for politicians is? How about scientists? I have no idea, but lets say we have 1600 so with MPs 2,250 in total of any note that you may be expected to hear about dying? The figure is of course a lot less, but lets go with it. That means of the whole population 0.3% died of covid and 0.003% are in your group. What are the chances, in any sample set, of these two groups having any overlap?

Then bear in mind they all had jobs where they could shield if they wanted, could send others to do their shopping etc.
 
Gramaisc

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And, of course, if we are to believe* Johnson, doctors were preparing to announce his death, when he miraculously recovered...

And few significant politicians were living in care homes where untested people were being sent to - or working in essential jobs requiring them to be exposed to large numbers of the general public.

Etc.



* Obviously, we don't.
 
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DoggedWalker

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tek-monkey said:
Do we know how many man hours went into the vaccines, in comparison to say something like AIDS research?
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This isn’t necessarily a helpful measure look at it for a couple of reasons.

The genome of Covid was mapped quickly because the computing power and understanding of genome sequencing is vastly superior.

Our understanding of this type of virus is much better.

It doesn’t attack the body’s immune system in the same way (it’s a respiratory disease) and it’s something from which we can recover.
 
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DoggedWalker

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Gramaisc said:
And, of course, if we are to believe* Johnson, doctors were preparing to announce his death, when he miraculously recovered...

And few significant politicians were living in care homes where untested people were being sent to - or working in essential jobs requiring them to be exposed to large numbers of the general public.

Etc.



* Obviously, we don't.
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He clearly was quite unwell, he was obviously unwell for some time afterwards. Exaggeration or not, I think him having been quite ill will have had some influence in shaping his subsequent decision making (I say this, I think he was a shoddy PM). Indeed, Patrick Vallance references the PM being too unwell to fulfil his role. He also, interestingly says Raab’s brief tenure running the show was more ordered and disciplined - same guy accused of being a bully.

The inquiry has spent far too much time arguing over personality and point scoring about text messages for my liking. We need it to focus on understanding how to make sure the State works more effectively to protect the well being of its citizens and that includes the economic wellbeing.
 
Mudgie

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DoggedWalker said:
He clearly was quite unwell, he was obviously unwell for some time afterwards. Exaggeration or not, I think him having been quite ill will have had some influence in shaping his subsequent decision making (I say this, I think he was a shoddy PM). Indeed, Patrick Vallance references the PM being too unwell to fulfil his role. He also, interestingly says Raab’s brief tenure running the show was more ordered and disciplined - same guy accused of being a bully.

The inquiry has spent far too much time arguing over personality and point scoring about text messages for my liking. We need it to focus on understanding how to make sure the State works more effectively to protect the well being of its citizens and that includes the economic wellbeing.
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I've not followed it word for word but don't believe the inquiry has spent "time arguing over personality and point scoring about text messages". It has been establishing facts, not for the apportioning of blame but to learn lessons for the future.
 
tek-monkey

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DoggedWalker said:
He clearly was quite unwell, he was obviously unwell for some time afterwards. Exaggeration or not, I think him having been quite ill will have had some influence in shaping his subsequent decision making (I say this, I think he was a shoddy PM). Indeed, Patrick Vallance references the PM being too unwell to fulfil his role.
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Maybe he confused unwell with incapable for other reasons? Or in general?

From what I've seen I agree with Mudgie, it's been about setting down facts, and some of those facts don't reflect well on some people but it needs to be determined what is indeed a fact before you can really look at anything else.
 
Theresa Green

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DoggedWalker said:
He clearly was quite unwell, he was obviously unwell for some time afterwards. Exaggeration or not, I think him having been quite ill will have had some influence in shaping his subsequent decision making (I say this, I think he was a shoddy PM). Indeed, Patrick Vallance references the PM being too unwell to fulfil his role. He also, interestingly says Raab’s brief tenure running the show was more ordered and disciplined - same guy accused of being a bully.

The inquiry has spent far too much time arguing over personality and point scoring about text messages for my liking. We need it to focus on understanding how to make sure the State works more effectively to protect the well being of its citizens and that includes the economic wellbeing.
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I think you are watching CBeebies in error

Easily done
 
Theresa Green

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airbusA346 said:
How much is this inquiry costing?
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How much has Tory misrule cost us?

How much is a plane to nowhere?

How much is a diseased filled prison boat?

How much is the cost of not building HS2 from Euston?

How much is that doggy in the window? The one that simply can’t bring himself to stop voting Conservative?

Wuff Wuff
 
tek-monkey

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DoggedWalker

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Mudgie said:
And worth every penny if lessons are learnt for the future.
( e.g. Don't vote for the selfish Tories )
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To be fair, it’s very slow and even if it reports in 2027 to implement recommendations you’re talking 2030+ which basically means if there’s a pandemic type event between now and 2035, we’ll be in just as much of a mess and more reluctant to lock down.


For what it’s worth, Sweden has already finished its Inquiry, probably because days were not spent worrying about who said what about who in WhatsApp messages like it will have influenced the outcome and decision making.
 
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airbusA346

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DoggedWalker said:
To be fair, it’s very slow and even if it reports in 2027 to implement recommendations you’re talking 2030+ which basically means if there’s a pandemic type event between now and 2035, we’ll be in just as much of a mess and more reluctant to lock down.


For what it’s worth, Sweden has already finished its Inquiry, probably because days were not spent worrying about who said what about who in WhatsApp messages like it will have influenced the outcome and decision making.
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And take any other measures.

Even though judging by comments on social media a lot of people wouldn't follow the measures anyway.
 
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Noah

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As matter of dubious interest WHO are getting interested in curious clusters of flu/pneumonia type outbreaks in schools in northern China at the moment.
 
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