Illiterate school-leavers and workless households are destabilising UK economy

tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
I won't stay at home, I shall spoil my future ballots or vote for an independant in the hope he gets his money for standing back 9does it still work like that?). If no independant I like stands I shall either draw a cock on the ballot paper or change all the candidates names to defamitory ones. At least give the poor bugger counting it a laugh.
 
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andy w

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tek-monkey said:
I won't stay at home, I shall spoil my future ballots or vote for an independant in the hope he gets his money for standing back 9does it still work like that?). If no independant I like stands I shall either draw a cock on the ballot paper or change all the candidates names to defamitory ones. At least give the poor bugger counting it a laugh.
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Well said, people have gone to prison,been deported or even died to secure the right to vote and it is galling to see so much apathy in this country, but you can understand the disillionment of the people with the political class.
Am I right in thinking that in America there is a box on the ballot sheet saying 'none of the above' and if that box receives the most votes then there has to be a rerun, if so this could a good idea in this country as it might work the candidates harder.
 
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Hetairoi

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LOL, if you look at Hetairoi's history on here it's perfectly understandable that he thinks the DM is left wing.

Either that or he doesn't know the difference between left and right :heyhey:
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It is well known that the far-right and the far-left are very similar.

As for myself I believe in a strange mix of right and left wing ideas and therfore do not class myself as either.
 
henryscat

henryscat

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Hetairoi said:
As for myself I believe in a strange mix of right and left wing ideas......
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"....and don't let facts get in the way of the right wing ones", like on the other thread you haven't replied to since the facts of the matter got in the way of your distorted view of race.
 
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Hetairoi

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henryscat said:
"....and don't let facts get in the way of the right wing ones", like on the other thread you haven't replied to since the facts of the matter got in the way of your distorted view of race.
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I do have a life outside of this foum and don't have time to reserch things like you seem to do.

I did start to look at the Leicester paper yesterday but got sidetracked by a couple of other articles on there and by the time I had read them I had run out of time.

One of the articles quoted an Asian policman as being 'hurt and upset' by being called a racist name, whatever next policemen being called names!

I will try to find time to read all the relevant articles but am away next week so it may not be possible.
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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andy w

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Just read a good article on the Guardians website about why working class people vote conservative (sorry not savvy enough to do links) and the article itseslf and the subsequent comments made interesting reading. The article itself was primarally about american politics and religon and abortion are much bigger issues over there than here.
Whilst most of the comments slated working people to even consider voting for what are deemed to be right wing parties there was a significant number of posts critizing the left for patronising the working classes and being out of touch with them. The Labour party was set up in the late 19th century with Methodism rather than marxism as it's values which were to be proud of your family,local community and your nation, to be able to stand on your own two feet and strive for a better life for working people. I don't doubt those principles are still at the heart of the Labour party but too often it seems to be wrong headed.Sucsessfy governments have created a welfare state that pays poor people to stay poor and employs legions of socail workers, outreach workers, health workers and the like who in the most part are employed to wipe the backsides of the underclass.
 
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Alan B'Stard

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andy w said:
Sucsessfy governments have created a welfare state that pays poor people to stay poor and employs legions of socail workers, outreach workers, health workers and the like who in the most part are employed to wipe the backsides of the underclass.
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So we should not continue to pay the poor to be poor and lower the asking price of the reserve pool of unemployed labour?

Cancel all benefits and promote the inherent contradictions of capitalism and encourage class consciousness?

Sack all the social workers, outreach and health workers after all, who cares about abused children, pregnant mothers, cancer patients, people with addictions?
 
Withnail

Withnail

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andy w said:
Just read a good article on the Guardian website about why working class people vote conservative (sorry not savvy enough to do links) (and the article itself - is this right? Ed), and the subsequent comments: it made interesting reading. The article itself was primarily about American politics and how religion and abortion are much bigger issues over there than here.
Whilst most of the comments slated working people to even consider voting for what are deemed to be right wing parties there were a significant number of posts criticizing the left for patronising the working classes and being out of touch with them. The Labour party was set up in the late 19th century with Methodism, rather than Marxism, as it's values, which were to be proud of your family, local community and your nation, to be able to stand on your own two feet and strive for a better life for working people. I don't doubt those principles are still at the heart of the Labour party but too often it seems to be wrong headed. Succsessive governments have created a welfare state that pays poor people to stay poor and employs legions of social workers, outreach workers, health workers and the like, who in the most part are employed to wipe the backsides of the underclass.
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Just to 'wipe the backside' of your illiterate post.

You're welcome...
 
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