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kyoto49

kyoto49

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Raven said:
I cannot understand why French customs is based in Dover ?
Why not Calais where there is vastly more room than Dover that has always struggled for room and where the slightest holdup for any reason has always caused an issue.

Well I have read that the lack of French manned control points in Dover is the reason & that being the case I am not surprised.
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It's a lack of control points, not French staff to man the points. They are fully manned by the French, our government just chose not to spend the £33m Dover Port requested to add additional passport control points. The current disaster at Dover is all of our own governments making.


*Is there anyone on this forum willing to admit they were Tory voters but have now regained control of their senses?
 
Gramaisc

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What actually happens at Holyhead is really a bit weird, partly because of the CTA and, probably more so, because of the physical constraints of the layout. Because the vehicle parks are there only for outbound traffic, and the secure boundary is on the harbour side of them, you are only really spoken to on the way out of the country, by UK staff, who seem more concerned about fuel containers than anything else, although I have been asked "Do you have any firearms?" a couple of times - in the autumn, you're likely to be asked about fireworks. It's a long time since I got through without a chat. The reverse happens in Dublin, where a couple of chaps chat to the odd person waiting to board the ship - they're more interested in large amounts of cash and animals. Neither of these cause any extension of journey time.

I've never been stopped entering the UK in a vehicle - the last twice, I've been stopped entering Ireland - once, the car was quickly and expertly searched by a dog*, the second time it was a quick chat about nationality and alcohol quantities, then a guess about whether I was plausible or not seemed to go my way.

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littleme said:
Crap, I better stop sitting in the garden after work then.
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You need to look a bit foreign, too, but they might be trained to spot Geordiness.

kyoto49 said:
*Is there anyone on this forum willing to admit they were Tory voters but have now regained control of their senses?
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And, has anybody changed their mind about voting 'Leave' or 'Remain'?
 
Raven

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Gramaisc said:
For the same reason the British are in Calais, so you don't end up queueing back into the ships.

This problem was predicted and suggestions about how to avert it were ignored.
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Only on the Eurotunnel as far as I know & this is to enable the vehicles to exit quickly and avoid (as you say) blocking back to the train (in this case) and works well as there is limited traffic via this route.
Not the case with the Ferry port (as far as I know) as in Calais there are acres of parking so no danger of queuing back to the ships, even when there were many operators running ships into the ports in the 70’s / 80’s, so why the French booths are in Dover is odd (IMO
BTW what was the plan to avert it then ?
 
Gramaisc

Gramaisc

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Raven said:
BTW what was the plan to avert it then ?
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I could never understand why we had GB stickers and not UK anyway. Like most things, it can usually be explained by combining pomposity, idiocy and carelessness in various combinations.
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Raven said:
Only on the Eurotunnel as far as I know & this is to enable the vehicles to exit quickly and avoid (as you say) blocking back to the train (in this case) and works well as there is limited traffic via this route.
Not the case with the Ferry port (as far as I know) as in Calais there are acres of parking so no danger of queuing back to the ships, even when there were many operators running ships into the ports in the 70’s / 80’s, so why the French booths are in Dover is odd (IMO
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You need car parks on both sides of the perimeter. I haven't used an English Channel ferry since 1990, so I have no idea of the layout they have at either Calais or Dover now.
 
Raven

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Gramaisc said:
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Leave or Remain?

I could never understand why we had GB stickers and not UK anyway. Like most things, it can usually be explained by combining pomposity, idiocy and carelessness in various combinations.
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You need car parks on both sides of the perimeter. I haven't used an English Channel ferry since 1990, so I have no idea of the layout they have at either Calais or Dover now.
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Of course you need parks on both sides, but as I ”said” there are acres on the French side so why have that element that causes the hold up (stamping of passports) in Dover where there is no room or ever has been.
The link tells us nothing (IMO) on how to realistically help matters & sure as night follows day the French will find a reason to cause an issue given half a chance against the Le Rosbif’s.
 
gilbert grape

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The absolute irony of the last Labour manifesto stating they would invest in improved border controls, so people just voted to get Brexit done, with a tissue thin plan of doing anything. Or as Bozo would say “wah wah wah, wibble!”
 
BobClay

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Ahhhhh once World War Three kicks in followed by Global Climate Catastrophe none of this shit will mean anything anyway.

PSSSSTTTT !!! (Sound of beer can being opened.) :pint::pint::eek::eek::urgh::urgh::P:P
 
Gramaisc

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Raven said:
Of course you need parks on both sides, but as I ”said” there are acres on the French side so why have that element that causes the hold up (stamping of passports) in Dover where there is no room or ever has been.
The link tells us nothing (IMO) on how to realistically help matters & sure as night follows day the French will find a reason to cause an issue given half a chance against the Le Rosbif’s.
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I'm lost now. Do you want to have the French checks in Calais, where they have plenty of room, and the British checks in Dover, backing up onto the ships?

The French have not caused this problem and have even suggested a pre-emptive solution that was rejected.


gilbert grape said:
The absolute irony of the last Labour manifesto stating they would invest in improved border controls, so people just voted to get Brexit done, with a tissue thin plan of doing anything. Or as Bozo would say “wah wah wah, wibble!”
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The Labour Party has a large problem, in that a considerable proportion of their supporters are anti-EU, and there's little point in them not pandering to that view.
 
tek-monkey

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Raven said:
Only on the Eurotunnel as far as I know & this is to enable the vehicles to exit quickly and avoid (as you say) blocking back to the train (in this case) and works well as there is limited traffic via this route.
Not the case with the Ferry port (as far as I know) as in Calais there are acres of parking so no danger of queuing back to the ships, even when there were many operators running ships into the ports in the 70’s / 80’s, so why the French booths are in Dover is odd (IMO
BTW what was the plan to avert it then ?
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Do you mean so all checks, in or out, are done on the French side?
 
Raven

Raven

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Dear o Lord
It would seem that the issue is the stamping of passports (so we are told)
As that occurs in Dover (again as we are told) then move “that” part back to Calais where it always was as there is simply no room in Dover.
All that is outbound from the UK

Inbound to the UK
I have not heard or read of an issue this side to date ?
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

wanna see my snake?
Raven said:
Dear o Lord
It would seem that the issue is the stamping of passports (so we are told)
As that occurs in Dover (again as we are told) then move “that” part back to Calais where it always was as there is simply no room in Dover.
All that is outbound from the UK

Inbound to the UK
I have not heard or read of an issue this side to date ?
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Once you swap where checks take place you will have every arrival at Dover needing to be processed. Where do they park? There are no issues to date because we check them in France, meaning Dover can get away with having virtually nowhere to do security checks on incoming vehicles. Dover is the problem, doesn't matter if it's inbound or outbound you carry out the checks there has to be a waiting area. Dover itself has nowhere to contain people arriving before it processes them, so doing them leaving instead means they can park them on the road network.

The number of vehicles going each way is pretty constant, the same amount that leave also arrive, where do you think they should queue?
 
tek-monkey

tek-monkey

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Also, one further thought, if we check them on entering the uk that means they're on British soil before we decide if we want them here. Have you considered what that means for asylum seekers?
 
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